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Author Topic:   The Simplest Protein of Life
onifre
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Message 31 of 281 (675212)
10-08-2012 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Blue Jay
10-08-2012 12:36 PM


Re: Your case is lost...
but this is how evolutionists think this protein formed.

Don't you mean this is the leading theory in science? This is basic biology of life, right? ...or is there some other theory being taught at universities?

So, math questioning the feasibility of a modern protein forming randomly in prebiotic conditions is not relevant.

This seems to be the only point to continue to make in this thread, as both Zeus and Boredom keep swinging at strawmen.

- Oni


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Message 153 of 281 (676207)
10-20-2012 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by ICANT
10-20-2012 1:16 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
Because time is a concept of man that he invented to measure duration.

But there still remains the clear experience of "duration" that we measure. Your only point is that we invented a unit of measuring duration. Well, yeah, of course we did. Just as we invented a unit to measure height, weight, spacial dimentions, etc...

The point of this thread is has nothing to do with "proof" of the first protein or life. Most here are simply pointing out that the first proteins would be much less complex than the one brought up in the OP. So to use that one as an example of proteins not being able to come about from natural chemistry is pointless.

Can you stay on topic and deal with that?

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 171 of 281 (676279)
10-21-2012 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-21-2012 12:46 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
If rephrased along your suggestions, the question is what is the age of duration?

We experience time at the speed of light.

- Oni


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Message 182 of 281 (676322)
10-21-2012 7:00 PM
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10-21-2012 12:32 PM


Re: Your case is lost...
I tried to answer you with as much irrelevancy as you are bringing to the table.

You didn't really catch it I guess.

Duration as such is an abstraction of all possible durations so may have no age

I hope you know what you mean because I have no clue what you're talking about.

- Oni


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Message 186 of 281 (676326)
10-21-2012 7:07 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by ICANT
10-21-2012 1:21 PM


Re: Revised Suggestion
I thought everybody knew the answer to that question.

The chicken came first.

Eggs pre-date chickens by millions of years.

Eggs came first. The question wasn't "What came first the chicekn or the chicken egg?" it just said "chicken" or "egg".

Just saying...

But without knowing how the simplest protein began to exist you can not say whether it is impossible or possible for the simplest protein to begin to exist guided or unguided.

Guided or unguided by what? Remember this is a science forum so whatever you choose to say guided it you should have evidence for.

But lets say it was guided by an unknown entity...would that change anything as far as what the evidence looks like? I mean, it would still look the same, right?

Or are you suggesting magic?

- Oni

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onifre
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Message 187 of 281 (676327)
10-21-2012 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-21-2012 7:05 PM


Re: Your case is lost...
I translated for you the sentence the Universe is 13.7 billions years old and you agree it makes no sense.

The observable universe is 13.7 billion years old makes sense to me. What you are cobbling together does not.

Anyway, this is of topic so I'm done with this.

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 188 of 281 (676328)
10-21-2012 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by ICANT
10-21-2012 1:56 PM


Re: Revised Suggestion
The question is where did the information come from?

Are they not made up of molecules, are molecules not made up of atoms (carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, etc) found on this planet?

No one is suggesting that proteins popped up out of no where. Clearly the Earth had/has an abundance of elements on it, all of which are found in organic life.

- Oni


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