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Author Topic:   The Simplest Protein of Life
shadow71
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Message 11 of 281 (674767)
10-02-2012 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by ringo
10-02-2012 2:54 PM


ringo writes:

Consider a room full of children, each one holding a toy. As they mill about aimlessly, a child sees another toy that he'd like to have, so he reaches for it. But the other child won't let go and he, in turn, reaches for the first child's toy. Soon all of the children are "bonded" together in pairs, held together by the toys that both children want.
The children are like protons and the toys are like electrons and the pairs of children are like hydrogen atoms, bonded together by a pair of electrons that they both want.

And it all happens naturally. The probability that the bonds will form is 100%.

Can you tell us how the protons, electrons and hydrogen atoms came into existence?

The fallacy of your argument is that you assume everything happens naturally.
Do you have evidence for this natural origin?

What seems more logical, a planned reason for these events, or "well stuff happens" and we don't want to speculate about how it happened.
Just assume it was a natural event?
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shadow71
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Message 13 of 281 (674770)
10-02-2012 7:43 PM
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10-02-2012 7:30 PM


Re: Evidence
jar writes:

There is evidence of natural events.

What evidence is their of natural events that caused life?


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shadow71
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Message 20 of 281 (674874)
10-03-2012 7:31 PM
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10-03-2012 3:47 PM


Sorry, I am not allowed to answer. See Percy message # 15.

Edited by shadow71, : No reason given.


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Message 26 of 281 (674987)
10-04-2012 7:16 PM
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10-02-2012 9:28 PM


Re: Evidence
ringo writes:

Consider a room full of children, each one holding a toy. As they mill about aimlessly, a child sees another toy that he'd like to have, so he reaches for it. But the other child won't let go and he, in turn, reaches for the first child's toy. Soon all of the children are "bonded" together in pairs, held together by the toys that both children want.
The children are like protons and the toys are like electrons and the pairs of children are like hydrogen atoms, bonded together by a pair of electrons that they both want.

And it all happens naturally. The probability that the bonds will form is 100%

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In ringo's message, I don't really see any mention of proteins of life. I see an opinion that life will evolve from natural mechanisms.
How is his post on topic and mine is not?


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