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Author Topic:   Yet another Congressman who doesn't accept the theory of evolution
foreveryoung
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Message 20 of 231 (675640)
10-13-2012 11:49 PM


Representative Broun's beliefs may be wacky, but get back to me when he has actually done something that is demonstrably damaging to our country ok?

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Message 22 of 231 (675644)
10-14-2012 12:50 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Coyote
10-13-2012 11:56 PM


He isn't ignoring reality. He is not yet convinced it is reality. He probably has partial information anyway and has been led astray by others. The big bang and evolution are not proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. By evolution, I mean all life descending from one common ancestor. As for embryology? I really don't know what his beef is with that, but I am sure it conflicts with his religious beliefs somehow. It is not quite the same as denying the reality of a tornado or the sheer cliff in front of you. When either not believing in evolution or the big bang causes harm to yourself or others, then I will give it the description of denying reality. Until then, it is really a harmless denial IMO.

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Message 26 of 231 (675700)
10-15-2012 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Larni
10-14-2012 7:06 AM


As I recall, to be provincial is to think in ways that are peculiar to your locality. All you are saying is that americans think in ways that are peculiar to us and that the rest of western civilization is alarmed by such thinking. This is fine with us. All we have to do is get along with the rest of you; we don't have to fit in with your clique.

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Message 28 of 231 (675704)
10-15-2012 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by dwise1
10-15-2012 2:10 AM


dwise1 writes:
Basically, isn't that what wing-nut whack-job "provincial" nonsense from members of the US government communicates to the rest of the world?
The rest of the world is just looking for an excuse to think of us that way anyway. Believing in a few crazy things doesn't mean you are a total looney tunes overall. You can still be quite intelligent and productive contributor even though you don't believe in the holy grail of evolution, big bang and a few other things the outside world hold dear.

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Message 32 of 231 (675839)
10-16-2012 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Theodoric
10-15-2012 8:02 AM


That is exactly what I said. Jeez. Equivocation? I just don't think evolution and the big bang are the number one determination of a man. It is stalinist to declare a person useless or even worse a danger to society because he fails to believe in what all the "educated" people believe in.
Being unsophisticated is in the eye of the beholder and so is a useless part of the definition. Larni views such people as parochial because HE sees them as unsophisticated and he sees such unsophistication as peculiar to america. It still fits my definition of the word.
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.

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Message 39 of 231 (675966)
10-17-2012 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Theodoric
10-16-2012 4:11 PM


theodoric writes:
Do you even know what this term means?
Yes, I know what it means in everyday political and social language. Here are three headlines to various newstories on the web that used the phrase "stalinist tactics". This usage is probably not in the dictionary because, like most mainstream publishers and mainstream media, they don't like to look at the truth of themselves in their inner core. They are socialists just like everybody here on EVC and they don't see it because they see themselves and their buddies as the arbiters of truth and therefore it has to be normal and nothing wrong with it. To label how they treat contrarian viewpoints as stalinist would be to acknowledge how censorious and authoritarian they are when it comes to everyone believing what they believe to be true.
Here are the headlines:
Stalinist Tactics Deployed to Silence ECUSA Bishops in Court .
Gordon Brown accused of 'Stalinist tactics'
Clintonistas using Stalinist tactics to silence ABC
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foreveryoung
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Message 41 of 231 (675970)
10-17-2012 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Dr Adequate
10-17-2012 10:25 PM


The western world has been becoming progressively more socialist since the french revolution. There is the common man who lives day to day by the sweat of his brow and then there is the "educated" man who tries to control the "intellectual and cultural world" through his trade. This includes all forms of media and universities and scientific institutions. Anything that influences what a man thinks and believes is a prime target for these "elites". Centralized control of mankind just seems to fit naturally for these "elite" type of people who are not like the common man. They certainly are not adverse to it. Those who wish the world to be controlled by an oligarchy of people who all think alike are not content to just try a few measures here and there. They are aggressive and will not cease from their efforts until their goals are accomplished. This is why you see such consternation and threats of becoming expatriated when someone not of their ilk takes the reigns of power.
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Message 55 of 231 (676157)
10-20-2012 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Panda
10-18-2012 2:58 AM


Re: Mainstream Media? Really?
I put educated in quotes if you did not notice. I don't consider you people educated in the real sense of the word. When I say the "educated" man, I mean the propagandized, group thinked, and brainwashed man. You all think exactly the same way. There is not one original thought in every last one of you. That is what I am calling "educated". I am much more educated in the real sense than any of you robots are or will ever hope to be.

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foreveryoung
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Message 84 of 231 (676587)
10-24-2012 12:20 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Percy
10-20-2012 11:19 AM


Re: Mainstream Media? Really?
percy writes:
It's not so much that we all think the same way but more that we all accept the same facts, and our opinions are constrained by those facts. Those who reject facts do tend to have a wider variety of opinion.
Facts must be proven in order to be facts. You all don't accept the same facts; you accept the same consensus of your fellow travelers in science and politics and culture.

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foreveryoung
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Message 89 of 231 (676937)
10-25-2012 9:13 PM


A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
― Edward R. Murrow
This was stated by a liberal with a mindset of which you all are cookie cutter images of. It was stated when the nation generally believed in conservative values. We are still a nation of sheep, but this time there is no liberal spokesman or writer to warn us of a government of wolves because liberals have their form of government in place and therefore it cannot be possibly run by wolves.

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Message 91 of 231 (676939)
10-25-2012 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Theodoric
10-25-2012 10:01 PM


Re: Please show evidence Murrow said that
theodoric writes:
Not surprisingly I do not think you will ever be able to provide an original attribution of this quote to Murrow. If you do you will be the first i can find. I have been questioning people on this since teabaggers have been popularizing it. I have been searching but have not been able to find any evidence to show it is a Murrow quote. But then again we know that that doesnt matter to you
Everywhere on the web it is stated that murrow said this. He isn't the first person to say something similar to it though. If this many people think he said it, it is you who should come up with evidence that he did not say it.
theodoric writes:
Do you know anything about Edward R, Murrow? Or are you parroting again.
I don't ever parrot on here. Are you projecting your own faults onto me here. Seems like you are. It is your kind who don't have an original thought of their own. I know enough that Murrow is idolized by liberal cretins ad nauseum as if he were some kind of god. Liberals usually don't idolize conservatives. That is all I need to know.
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Message 95 of 231 (676946)
10-26-2012 1:39 AM
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10-26-2012 12:34 AM


Re: Please show evidence Murrow said that
Murrow obviously paraphrased from dejuvenal. It is not exactly the same quote. If you think some one else came up with that EXACT paraphrase, feel free to say who it was. Otherwise, why would everyone attribute that quote to murrow? Where there is smoke, there is fire. You say it is a tea party phenomenon. I am sure that people have been attributing that EXACT phrase to murrow long before the tea party ever got going.

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foreveryoung
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Message 96 of 231 (676947)
10-26-2012 1:42 AM
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10-26-2012 1:37 AM


I guess that all depends on who you are calling the "rich". Not all people who earn over 250,000 a year are raping you. Just becaue someone earns more money than you do, doesn't mean they are raping you. The economy is not a pie that must be divided up. What I get is not necessarily what was yours and vice versa.

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Message 100 of 231 (676959)
10-26-2012 2:52 AM
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10-26-2012 2:02 AM


I have been voting because it is my civic responsibility to do so. There are only wolves running for office so that is all that I can vote for. I am anything but a sheep thank you very much. I just don't think that allowing "rich" people to keep the money they earn is allowing the "rich " to rape me. The people who are actually raping me are the ones in congress who are constantly writing new regulations and taxes. All that serves to do is constantly wear down the value of the dollar and make the cost of living go up and the cost of employment go up which drives the unemployment rate up.

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Message 113 of 231 (677032)
10-26-2012 12:07 PM
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10-26-2012 3:35 AM


My overall EFFECTIVE tax has greatly risen. Through his actions on the petroleum industry, I am paying close to 4 bucks a gallon for gas. Through his forced obamacare on all small businesses, it is very difficult to find a good paying job and to buy affordable health insurance. All the new regulations on the insurance industry has only served to raise their rates and lower their services. I realize they are now offering new services like allowing your adult children to be on your plan and covering existing conditions, but those come at the cost of higher premiums and reduced coverage elsewhere. The biggest tax on me so far is the rising cost of food. When the federal reserve does those "quantitative easings", they put all those extra dollars into circulation with nothing in value to back them up. That is what causes the cost of food to go up. The biggest impact that obama's policies will have on me is limiting my career choices when I graduate. I will no longer have the option of becoming a petroleum engineer or working with coal companies to find new sources of coal. If I do work in those industries, it will be in their litigative offices where I will work with environmental lawyers in keeping the government from running the company out of business or in helping the business stay compliant with environmental regulations. This is why I will become an environmental engineer. It won't be out of interest; it will be out of necessity.

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