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crashfrog
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Message 31 of 44 (381387)
01-30-2007 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by kuresu
01-30-2007 8:00 PM


Re: Let's Get this Train Back on Track...
tradition.
What makes you think a tradition can't be racist, or have come about via racist attitudes?

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Message 32 of 44 (381390)
01-30-2007 8:15 PM
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01-30-2007 8:00 PM


Re: Let's Get this Train Back on Track...
kuresu, apparently you aren't aware of the meeting in the early 1800s of the Mathematics and Arithmetic Society for the Suppression of Asians (MASSA), where they voted to continue calling it the Pythagorean Theorem, concluding that, "Just because those the Chinese had it first, that's no reason to recognize them. After all, if they didn't have the forsight to bring it to whitey's attention before we thought it up, that's their tough luck."

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RAZD
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Message 33 of 44 (381396)
01-30-2007 8:32 PM
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01-30-2007 1:52 PM


racism is all about class isn't it?
... racism was present in the math ...
Of course it is. There are different classes of numbers: integers, real numbers, unreal numbers, imaginary numbers etc.
They are not equal. It's all about how you cut the π
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kuresu
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Message 34 of 44 (381398)
01-30-2007 8:41 PM
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01-30-2007 8:32 PM


Re: racism is all about class isn't it? no, it's not.
no, that's called class warfare.
my bet is on the complex numbers--they kick my ass in trig.
well, there is some sort of discrimination going on, perhaps. you know, simple math deals with simple numbers (like reals). the more complex, the more complex the numbers.
why should simple math be stuck with just simple numbers?

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Jon
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Message 35 of 44 (381402)
01-30-2007 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by crashfrog
01-30-2007 7:22 PM


Re: Let's Get this Train Back on Track...
Would you change your name for something that trivial?

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RAZD
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Message 36 of 44 (381403)
01-30-2007 8:53 PM
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01-30-2007 8:41 PM


Re: racism is all about class isn't it? no, it's not.
no, that's called class warfare.
Which is why all racists elevate their objects of hate to a higher class?
why should simple math ...
Racist.

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RAZD
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Message 37 of 44 (381404)
01-30-2007 8:55 PM
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01-30-2007 8:52 PM


Re: Let's Get this Train Back on Track...
trivial ... to you?

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Jon
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Message 38 of 44 (381405)
01-30-2007 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by kuresu
01-30-2007 8:00 PM


Re: Let's Get this Train Back on Track...
There are a lot of books written from a long time ago, and chances are that the people in those books are mostly racist. That doesn't make the books themselves racist.
The book isn't racist just because it uses "racist" language (recall, that was common-place at the time, and to write the book any other way would be ignoring the clear racism of society). And then today, you would be looking back going "man, they talked so kindly of those funny little black slaves. didn't they realize how evil slavery was and racism? were they that oblivious? what schleps!"
Basically, I think you will find a problem either way. And, I think it is that one thing that people like Subbie and I are really getting at. If you can REALLY find racism in every view point of every idea, then clearly you're making it up somewhere!
And...
you must be snuffed!
Checkmate
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Jon
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Message 39 of 44 (381406)
01-30-2007 9:02 PM
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01-30-2007 8:55 PM


Re: Let's Get this Train Back on Track...
The name is used, simple. To change it is stupid, because it doesn't serve a purpose. How many people do you really think get anti-Asian rage when they hear about Pythagoras? The problem doesn't exist there. It's a name, so common, that it's almost just a word. Changing it is extreme. Life goes on.
Look: no racial intentions in the creation of the name, no racial intentions in it now.
Perhaps we should call Christmas the Celebration of the birth of Horus, since they were born on the same day , and Horus MUCH earlier. Should we meet with modern-day Egyptians to ask them if they want their holiday back? They can have the name? It would be lovely really, and at the same time, quite ridiculous.
J0N

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crashfrog
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Message 40 of 44 (381408)
01-30-2007 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Jon
01-30-2007 8:52 PM


Re: Let's Get this Train Back on Track...
Would you change your name for something that trivial?
My name? I don't understand.
The name of the theorem? I'd change it to something like "the hypotenuse-square theorem" or something as it emerged that the theory had been concurrently discovered by several different cultures.
In fact, I'm going to, from now on.

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Jon
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Message 41 of 44 (381409)
01-30-2007 9:07 PM
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01-30-2007 9:05 PM


Re: Let's Get this Train Back on Track...
You are free to do that, and I think it's a cool idea . Of course, I'm gonna keep calling it Pythagoran, just like I'll always use the English system for measurements . Old fashioned!
J0N

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kuresu
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Message 42 of 44 (381411)
01-30-2007 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Jon
01-30-2007 9:02 PM


Re: Let's Get this Train Back on Track...
hey jon, first of, it's only check. I still have other places to move.
second off, there aren't too many people (if any) who follow the ancient egyptian religion.
your example again, is useless.
check.

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nator
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Message 43 of 44 (381434)
01-30-2007 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
01-30-2007 1:52 PM


quote:
The truth of the matter is every race feels in someway like it is getting the short end of the stick.
I don't.
I'm white, and we get most of the perks in this country.
However, if we want to talk about gender...

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Jon
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Message 44 of 44 (381489)
01-31-2007 9:40 AM
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01-30-2007 11:08 PM


However, if we want to talk about gender...
We don't... perhaps in another thread similar to this only on sex instead (gender is used as a way of clasifying nouns in languages ).
J0N

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