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Message 526 of 2138 (854072)
06-04-2019 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Stile
10-10-2012 2:27 PM


I've always taken the position that if someone could define what a "god" is, then I could decide whether or not such a thing exists, or whether I could decide or not.
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Message 531 of 2138 (854091)
06-04-2019 4:39 PM
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06-04-2019 3:51 PM


But I just want to know what we're talking about.

I know a unicorn doesn't exist - if it's a magical quadruped with one horn.

I know unicorns exist - if it's a privately held startup company valued at over $1 billion.


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Message 532 of 2138 (854092)
06-04-2019 4:53 PM
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06-04-2019 4:07 PM


Just because people believe something isn't proof. Even if a lot of people believe.

As for the "Fall" This goes against what you believe about the children not being punished for the sins of the fathers, doesn't it?

Finally, what does "god" mean to you? If you're just saying that lots of supernatural things happened, but you don't know about the source, that's a different issue.


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Message 535 of 2138 (854106)
06-04-2019 5:29 PM
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06-04-2019 5:14 PM


But you don't believe that stuff about people being punished for the sins of their ancestors. That's why the Constitution has that passage about "corruption of blood" doesn't it?
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Message 833 of 2138 (856188)
06-28-2019 11:27 AM
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06-27-2019 8:19 PM


Re: You're not looking hard enough
When you say "I look for God in the hearts of people like Dale Lang and I find Him there. I look for God in the hearts of people like Jean Vanier and I find Him there. I look for God in human activities such as the Truth and Reconciliation Commission..." you are speaking poetically, not literally.

The fact that people may do good is not evidence that there is a deity.


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Message 843 of 2138 (856208)
06-28-2019 1:58 PM
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06-04-2019 4:55 PM


Probably because any definition of a deity would allow one to check and see if it exists, and . . .
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Message 844 of 2138 (856210)
06-28-2019 2:03 PM
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06-28-2019 12:18 PM


Re: You're not looking hard enough
When you write "I believe that God works through the hearts of humans and I find that confirmed by the actions of people who live out lives of altruistic sacrificial love of others" you only demonstrate that you believe there are people who act in altruistic ways. That is not a demonstration of why one out to believe that there is another entity behind such people.
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Message 845 of 2138 (856211)
06-28-2019 2:05 PM
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06-10-2019 11:34 AM


But what is the evidence that "a powerful (possibly all-powerful) being that created us, loves us, and is a part of our lives in some fashion" exists in the first place?
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Message 849 of 2138 (856223)
06-28-2019 4:16 PM
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06-28-2019 2:32 PM


Re: The Evidence Of Rational vs Irrational Behavior
Blaming demons or angels or gods or whatever for the actions of persons is not the least evidence that those demons, angels or gods exist.
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Message 851 of 2138 (856225)
06-28-2019 4:18 PM
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06-28-2019 2:10 PM


On the other hand, people are not wholly rational beings, so this is all no real surprise.
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Message 858 of 2138 (856269)
06-29-2019 8:43 AM
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06-28-2019 4:36 PM


Re: You're not looking hard enough
It can't be "proven" in the same sense that I can't prove there are no unicorns on the Moon, because I haven't searched every crater. But the possibility is pretty small, no?
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Message 889 of 2138 (856397)
06-30-2019 2:46 PM
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06-04-2019 5:34 PM


What does it mean to "inherit" a sin from your ancestors?

You can inherit a house or a cat or an eye color, but a sin?


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Message 890 of 2138 (856398)
06-30-2019 3:05 PM
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06-29-2019 10:36 AM


Re: You're not looking hard enough
You're putting the cart before the horse. If you think intelligence has to exist before life itself can exist (because you think life has to be "created" by an "intelligence") then you're postulating that an intelligent agency can develop out of some kind of natural origin without the need for life to exist first!

But this means you think that something even more extraordinary than just "life" (that is, "intelligence") can develop naturally. So you must also concede it is even more likely that life can develop naturally.


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Message 911 of 2138 (856499)
07-01-2019 12:02 PM
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06-30-2019 5:45 PM


Re: You're not looking hard enough
It's a C. S. Lewis sort of view. But as there's no evidence for it...
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Message 974 of 2138 (856763)
07-02-2019 5:18 PM
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07-02-2019 9:30 AM


Oh yes, it's been a long struggle up from superstition. A struggle that has to be renewed every generation.
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