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Author Topic:   I Know That God Does Not Exist
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Message 1448 of 2747 (858893)
07-25-2019 12:03 AM


According to OP's framework, everyone knows that God does not exist.

But in the scouring of information about God, the OP has neglected certain forms of information: narrative, myth, story, tradition, vision, and man's creative ability to worship.

There is probably little difference in "knowing" between OP and a Jamaican woman inside of a roadside church fervently clapping, singing, dancing, writhing, and praying to an "unknown" God, but this does not impede her worship.

I think that for many believers, the first step of belief is to acknowledge that we cannot know enough about the universe to presume that we are not created beings.

I would really question the power of knowing. In fact it seems that knowing is a trap to create a false worldview. Knowing is not a power that mankind has; we must rely on belief.

I believe in Creationism. You "know" that the world was built out of evolutionary mechanisms. But really all we are doing is choosing to believe certain things about a dark and mysterious world. The science of the physical world is but glimmers into the nature of reality.

As humans, we must often rely on revelation to reconcile what we do not know, with what is.

We did not know that God walked on earth as man, named Jesus Christ, until it was told to us by those who heard of it from others who invariably heard it from the men and women to whom it was divinely and interpersonally revealed to by Our Lord Jesus Christ.

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Message 1458 of 2747 (858942)
07-25-2019 9:42 PM
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Re: Hashing Out Belief and Rationality
hey man, i checked out your facebook page. you are a very eloquent man. i think charlie would like to talk to you on video. problem is he works too much, as do i. but i think we can eventually have a chat.

your persona on here can be self-deprecating at times (perhaps my biases from the past talking here), but you seem like a really confident, put-together person, could've been a senator.

anyway, let's work on getting there.

this site is basically a greek chorus for the secular worldview, it's no wonder they can't find any creationists to talk to. we know a rigged game when we see one.


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Message 2509 of 2747 (880522)
08-07-2020 2:33 AM


to know god one must think like a child
https://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&t=20139

you know that God does not exist, but I know he does. he reveals himself to those who would dare to think as children, to be radically open to a loving god, to be radically open to love.

to see god you have to learn to see through your heart.


  
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Message 2515 of 2747 (880739)
08-11-2020 12:16 AM


Jaggerstatter knew that God does exist and he died for it in a concentration camp. Would you be willing to die for your belief that God does not exist? Because the martyrs have died for their belief that God does exist. Jagerstatter died in a concentration camp because of his belief in Jesus Christ. All of your intellectual wrangling is all but dead leaves to the sacrifice of jagerstatter

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Message 2680 of 2747 (882195)
09-15-2020 9:39 AM


when u get up in the morning i want you to look in the mirror and say

god did not create me

god does not exist

that is the definition of mental illness

the creation telling his creator he is not there


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Message 2683 of 2747 (882214)
09-15-2020 1:24 PM
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09-15-2020 12:40 PM


abiogenesis is impossible

you were created

you know that

you try to delude yourself

everyday.

but you're no better than the chair made by the woodworker

you're a created being

and that truth rings for eternity in your soul and your mind and echoes out of your every orifice

there is no getting around it

a chair did not just appear there. the woodworker made it.

matter cannot create itself. it doesn't have the intelligence to develop into life forms and humanoids.

you are a created being.

god laughs at your protest.

for in the deepest pockets of your soul

you know he fashioned you out of dust

u were made in the image of god

that's why you have a visage

with eyeballs that peer

and you were created unique

there is no other AZPaul3

but that is the definition of mental illness

the created being denies his creator

like pinocchio rebuking geppetto

but you are a chreated beaing

and you've cheated yourself out of authentic existence

but there's a sound that whispers in your ears when you drown your nature

you were created and you have launched a protest

but there is a whisper in the wind that says i love you'

i am god i created you

and you hear it slightly

you can believe anything you want.

but the serial number is written on your heart

you were created

just as everything else is a part of his creation.


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