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Message 2726 of 3207 (885256)
03-30-2021 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 2724 by Raphael
03-29-2021 10:35 PM


Re: You The Man
Though I am a person of faith I have not always been, so I understand personally and grasp intellectually alternate philosophies/worldviews. I like to live life with a healthy intellectual openness, never assuming I have all the answers.
I don't have any problem with that version of faith (as described by Raphael).
Is science a superior ontology?
Probably. And that's because science is pragmatic. So, whenever there is a change, the pragmatism is likely to move to a better direction.
Note, however, that pragmatism tends to be subjective. So what one person sees as better, another may see as worse. We might say that science depends on the collective pragmatism of the scientists.
I might modify your statement from my perspective though, to "Any objective knower of truth is not testable or controllable by the scientific method."
This is why science should be described as pragmatic, and not as truth seeking.

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Message 2765 of 3207 (894257)
05-08-2022 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 2762 by urickad
05-08-2022 10:53 AM


the way of life of the members of the community is not much different
What community?
The early church seems to have practiced Christian communism. What we see today is closer to Christian fascism. They have kept the name "Christian" and they have kept some of the ceremonial rituals. But everything else is changed.
What we see today is not the same religion as practiced by the early Christians.

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Message 2811 of 3207 (894761)
05-28-2022 3:05 PM
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05-28-2022 1:50 PM


Re: Ringo and Jar. Two peas in a pod
I also am beginning to realize that I will never convince anyone here at EvC that God (through Jesus Christ) exists apart from the character in the book even if I DID give everything up.
I might still have doubts about Christian theology. However, if you and many others were to actually live as Jesus taught, I would be mightily impressed.

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Message 2816 of 3207 (894770)
05-28-2022 4:06 PM
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05-28-2022 3:27 PM


Re: Ringo and Jar. Two peas in a pod
Do you really agree with ringos hypothetical in that the global body of Christians should give it all up? And by that I mean materialistically.

It's a daunting concept to give up one's retirement, for example.
If Christians had been working together to make the world a better place for poor people, then maybe they would not actually need that retirement nest egg.

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Message 2833 of 3207 (894861)
05-31-2022 11:47 AM
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05-31-2022 7:04 AM


Re: Ringo and Jar. Two peas in a pod
Got any idea how many hospitals and charities the Catholic Church has created worldwide?
Far too many.
Creating hospitals to provide health care -- that would be good.
Restricting what health care is provided, in order to conform to their theology -- terrible, and abusive.

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Message 2922 of 3207 (896452)
08-09-2022 11:21 PM
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08-09-2022 10:49 PM


Re: The Man In The Book
Putin is likely an atheist, as is Xi Jinping.
I'm under the impression that Putin is Russian Orthodox.
Vladimir Putin - Wikipedia

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Message 3147 of 3207 (896922)
08-26-2022 4:58 PM
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08-26-2022 3:49 PM


Re: Monsters Under The Bed
Yet if I suggested that the inspiration for the writing came from God to the authors, he would scoff.
And why would that be a problem for you?

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Message 3155 of 3207 (896950)
08-27-2022 8:56 AM
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08-27-2022 2:09 AM


Re: Monsters Under The Bed
Because you cant have it both ways.
Yet you just demonstrated that you can, with your example of The Big Bad Wolf.

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Message 3178 of 3207 (897968)
09-16-2022 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 3176 by EWolf
09-16-2022 8:19 PM


Shouldn’t we see Him as unique that voluntarily gave His life instead of merely having been killed?
"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
Does that sound like the exclamation of somebody who voluntarily gave his life?
Why did He give His life but for the purpose of bringing you and me vital and otherwise impossible hope and that He conquered death for us?
But that atonement story was made up after the fact.

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