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Message 509 of 1318 (854032)
06-04-2019 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 508 by Thugpreacha
06-04-2019 10:43 AM


Re: The Fall it was & The Rapture it shall be
Maybe you should start your own website and preach to your hearts content.
It is a bit unseemly for you to turn good discussions into a platform for your dogmatic preaching.
Also, this is would be a lot like going before a judge that starts his court with religiosity. I no longer trust your ability to be an objective moderator. We have already seen problems with that.
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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 519 of 1318 (854057)
06-04-2019 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 511 by Thugpreacha
06-04-2019 10:57 AM


Re: The Fall it was & The Rapture it shall be
There is no evidence for the Jesus Christ of the bible. He never existed. You have had plenty of chances to provide actual verifiable evidence with corroboration but you never have. No one ever has. Because there is no evidence, just faith.

Am I the anti-Christ too? Screw you. The inability of certain christians to deal with people that do not believe as they do should surprise me. It never does. A lot seem to be judgmental hypocrites. Phat, you fit the mold. You claim to be a moderate. You are not. You are fundie. It is a small step from calling people names, to completely dehumanizing them and calling for their heads.

who has no clue that Jesus is real and will continue to be a tool of satan

Both are mythological creatures.

than you will be fully responsible for your own destiny.

As we all are.

If nothing else, my rants will continue to enrage many, but I will rest easy knowing that I did my job.

You have no business being a moderator. Your biases and need to be judgmental shine through.
Take your preaching to a religious site. Some place where people want to here about your fantasies.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 522 of 1318 (854061)
06-04-2019 2:11 PM
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06-04-2019 1:53 PM


Re: The Fall it was & The Rapture it shall be
But we are not acting the same way. This is in the science forums. I believe does not cut it. All you have is protestations of your beliefs and judgement. No facts, no data, no argument.

I used to respect you. Then you became a fundie full of vitriol and judgment. I could ignore you but it doesn't work that way. Back your assertions with data or retract them. Attacking people because they do not share your beliefs is not debate, it is not acceptable. This forum is not for preaching. I am quite sure Percy does not want or expect people to preach on this site. If he does so be it, but since you have decided to be a preacher and attack "heretics" the quality of your posts has nose dived and you have become a caricature of yourself.
I miss the old Phat. He was a nice guy. But alas he no longer exists.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 533 of 1318 (854093)
06-04-2019 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 526 by Sarah Bellum
06-04-2019 3:34 PM


That is my first response when people ask if I believe in their version of god. I ask them to define it so I can decide. Getting a coherent definition is very difficult.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 561 of 1318 (854362)
06-07-2019 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 560 by Thugpreacha
06-07-2019 3:46 PM


Re: Dan barkers godless audio version
Well then your god should make an announcement telling us what is right or wrong. So far what ever way your god has tried to convey that info has not been real successful. Even the different christian sects can not agree. It is a bit of hubris to think you got the special message.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 701 of 1318 (855711)
06-22-2019 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 674 by Dredge
06-20-2019 7:38 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Then there is the fact that atheist (read: Communist) regimes killed far, far more people in just one century that all the Christian wars in history put together.

Any chance you will provide data to support this assertion? You might want to take a quick look at the genocide of Native Americans while you try to come up and fudge some data that won't support you.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 702 of 1318 (855712)
06-22-2019 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 700 by Faith
06-22-2019 7:15 AM


Can we at least get the history correct.
I personally don't defend the Crusades but then I haven't spent a lot of time reading up on them either, and dredge may be right. By the time of Luther the Turkish Empire had encroached deeply into Europe.

The complete lack of historical knowledge and context is stunning. The last crusade was in 1291. The Ottoman Empire was founded in 1299. The crusades had nothing to do with the Turkish incursions into Europe in the 1600's.
The original islamic moves into Europe in the 700's mirrored the earlier encroachment of Europe by christians. Christianity was not even spread throughout Europe by the time the Ummayad's conquered the Iberian peninsula. I am in no way condoning the invasion of Iberia, but merely pointing out that you have a distorted view of right and wrong depending on whether it is the group you support that committed the atrocities.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 703 of 1318 (855713)
06-22-2019 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 674 by Dredge
06-20-2019 7:38 PM


history lessons are needed I see.
For starters, if not for the Crusades, Europe would probably have been overrun by Islam.

I would like to see some sort of scholarly support for this assertion.
The crusades did not do anything to remove Islam from Europe and did nothing to stop further inroads into Europe. I do not think there was even much of a concept of Europe at that time. The Caliphate was firmly entrenched in Iberia The crusades did not try to push them out of Iberia.

The crusades had many reasons and results. None of them was keeping islam from overrunning Europe. I think the people of Europe would have had something to say about that. They had stopped Islam before and would again.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 714 of 1318 (855774)
06-22-2019 10:33 PM
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06-22-2019 9:42 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
You obviously have no evidence to back you assertions that communist regimes have killed more in the last century than all Christian wars. Because if you did you would present it.
The claim of Christian genocide of Native Americans is easily evidenced. The European invaders were Christian. Many of them carried out intentional genocide. All others carried out unintentional genocide. Prior to Europeans invading the Americas had a population of at least 100 million and latest scholarship points to over 140 million. What do you think happened to all of those people?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples

So any evidence for that communism claim. I can't find anything to support it.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 715 of 1318 (855775)
06-22-2019 10:35 PM
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06-22-2019 9:43 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
A lot of the genocide was done in the name of christianity. Missions were responsible of millions of dead natives.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 719 of 1318 (855779)
06-22-2019 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 716 by Dredge
06-22-2019 10:47 PM


Re: Can we at least get the history correct.
That is an equivocation of the term. Also from the Wikipedia source.
quote:
The Crusades were a series of religious wars sanctioned by the Latin Church in the medieval period. The most commonly known Crusades are the campaigns in the Eastern Mediterranean aimed at recovering the Holy Land from Muslim rule, but the term "Crusades" is also applied to other church-sanctioned campaigns. These were fought for a variety of reasons including the suppression of paganism and heresy, the resolution of conflict among rival Roman Catholic groups, or for political and territorial advantage

Common use of the term Crusades has to do with conquering the holy land. But if you want this technicality then you have it. Good for you.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 720 of 1318 (855780)
06-22-2019 11:23 PM
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06-22-2019 11:00 PM


Still not evidence for your assertion
You are part way there
Now you just have to find a number for the number of people killed in Christian wars and show that that figure is far, far lower.
I dont think you can do that. 10 million died in just the 30 Years War alone.

Edited by Theodoric, : Subtitle change


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 733 of 1318 (855800)
06-23-2019 9:03 AM
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06-23-2019 12:05 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
That was one of the tools of the genocide.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 734 of 1318 (855803)
06-23-2019 9:47 AM
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06-23-2019 12:05 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
You forgot to mention the peace between previously warring tribes that Christianity brought.

You have no evidence to support this assertion like you never have any evidence. The Native American people were not constantly warring, stone age people prior to European contact. There were quite a few advanced civilizations at the time of contact. The reason why people think the natives were small, stone age tribes is because that was the remnants left after disease swept through. There was no christian "peace effect". From the very beginning the europeans used tensions to get certain groups to fight and kill others. Read histories of the eradication of the Aztecs, Incans and tribes in contact with the English. Europeans did not bring peace to the Americas.
Here is a list of pre-columbian cultures in the Americas. Not brutal, constantly warring people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pre-Columbian_cultures

Christians (the English) also eradicated many barbaric practices in India during the colonial era.

Examples please.
Did you notice how all the colonising nations were Christian?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel
Explains the luck of Europe in that time period. But you seem to be discounting the expansion of Islam at that time.

The death of the colonial era was not brought about by communism. That is a stupid comment. Colonizing ended because there were no more places to colonize and the colonized people resisted and fought back. Your hardon for the period of colonization just shows your moral depravity.

Edited by Theodoric, : Spelling


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 735 of 1318 (855805)
06-23-2019 10:05 AM
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06-23-2019 12:12 AM


Re: Can we at least get the history correct.
Again I already discussed this. The Catholic Encyclopedia acknowledges and supports the point I made.

quote:
It has been customary to describe the Crusades as eight in number:
  • the first, 1095-1101;
  • the second, headed by Louis VII, 1145-47;
  • the third, conducted by Philip Augustus and Richard Coeur-de-Lion , 1188-92;
  • the fourth, during which Constantinople was taken, 1204;
  • the fifth, which included the conquest of Damietta, 1217;
  • the sixth, in which Frederick II took part (1228-29); also Thibaud de Champagne and Richard of Cornwall (1239);
  • the seventh, led by St. Louis, 1249-52;
  • the eighth, also under St. Louis , 1270.
This division is arbitrary and excludes many important expeditions, among them those of the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries. In reality the Crusades continued until the end of the seventeenth century, the crusade of Lepanto occurring in 1571, that of Hungary in 1664, and the crusade of the Duke of Burgundy to Candia, in 1669. A more scientific division is based on the history of the Christian settlements in the East.

https://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=3543
The term Crusades encompasses different things to different historians. If you read the wiki article completely instead of scanning for sentences that support you, you will see that the term traditionally covers the campaigns to free the holy land from the Islam. Traditionally that has been accounted to have ended with the fall of the last Outremer Crusader state, Acre, in 1291.
Other military actions have been called Crusades, but in context of this thread they are not relevant. Later crusades were against heretics and or christianizing pagan areas of Europe. Any other crusades against Islam were in actuality minor campaigns against the Ottomans in which spreading christianity was either a minor part or non existent part of the reason for the campaign.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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