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Author Topic:   I Know That God Does Not Exist
crashfrog
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Message 12 of 2138 (675417)
10-11-2012 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by 1.61803
10-10-2012 5:42 PM


Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence.

Absence of evidence is always evidence of absence, because that's how we detect absence - by the lack of evidence.

Trust me, there's no evidence whatsoever for the proposition that a herd of elephants is not stampeding through your living room besides the complete lack of evidence that they are.

Granted the idea of tea pots orbiting the sun or spaghetti monsters existing are as valid as God existing.

Right, but it's clearly nonsense to take the two positions - "there is a tea pot orbiting the Sun" and "there is not a tea pot orbiting the Sun" - and suggest that they are both equally supported by the lack of any evidence for tea pots in orbit of the Sun. (Well, I guess all the tea pots on Earth technically orbit the Sun, but you know what we mean.)


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Message 13 of 2138 (675418)
10-11-2012 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Son Goku
10-11-2012 3:01 AM


Re: God
So although one could still support a general Platonic "lives outside time" god with a reasonable argument

Eh. You could support the possibility of such a figure, but to claim anything about it, including its existence, would be to claim knowledge that you've just said that you cannot by definition have.

Anything at all could happen outside of the universe. I mean, anything. We can't know anything about it so it's just the realm of imagination.


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Message 43 of 2138 (675489)
10-11-2012 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by New Cat's Eye
10-11-2012 10:50 AM


What about being able to see to the other side of the room unblocked by any elephants, and that the floor is still holding up, and that the room still smells like the candle from yesterday, and that you can still hear the TV from the other room.

All that stuff is an absence of evidence, though - the absence of evidence that elephants are obstructing your view of the room, absence of evidence that the floor is not intact, absence of evidence that the room smells like elephant shit, and so on.


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Message 77 of 2138 (675601)
10-12-2012 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by New Cat's Eye
10-11-2012 4:09 PM


But its positive evidence nonetheless.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Conspicuous absence of evidence is positive evidence.


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