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Author Topic:   I Know That God Does Not Exist
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Message 1329 of 3207 (858306)
07-19-2019 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1323 by Stile
07-19-2019 9:13 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Stile writes:
And I still know that God does not exist.
Now you are venturing into the fallacy of argument from repetition.
You can say it until the cows come home and that will not make it true.
Stile writes:
Irrational (in the specific context of this discussion): thinking/proposing/claiming that an idea exists in reality when there is no evidence to support that the idea actually exists in reality in the first place.
The idea of multiverses is un-evidenced and yet it is a theory in QM.
Just because something does not seem rational does not mean it does not exist.
Multiverse - Wikipedia
We do not know yet. But for some reason you do. According to your reasoning you must know there is no multiverses either. Maybe you can debunk this theory based on you incredible notion of banana keys and crab chairs as well.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 1408 of 3207 (858601)
07-22-2019 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1394 by Stile
07-22-2019 8:22 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Stile writes:
There is evidence that multiverses may exist.
Stile writes:
There is no evidence that banana keys or crab chairs exist.
If you accept the premise that trillions of other universes
may exist then how do you know in some other universe crabchairs and banana keys do not exist?

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 1421 of 3207 (858644)
07-22-2019 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1410 by Stile
07-22-2019 11:35 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Stile writes:
There is evidence for the possibility of other universes.
There is no evidence for the possibility of banana keys or crab chairs.
You can not possibly know that because you would have to be a god to know every possibility of what exist and thus defeat your own premise.
The many worlds theory is a theory in QM because it reconciles how a wave function can simultaneously be every possible event and then when observed/measured it is actualized.
Some theist believe god is this self manifested universal observer. Not saying this is correct it is but one belief.
If there are trillions of other universes, some possibly with different laws of physics who are you to say what could be there despite your arguments from incredulity.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 1425 of 3207 (858664)
07-22-2019 3:17 PM
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07-22-2019 2:25 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Stile writes:
Right - and there's math that provides evidence for this, yes?
No. I was wrong in stating Multiverse is a theory. It is known as the "Many Worlds interpretation." It is a Hypothesis.
Your reasoning to dismissing something based on lack of evidence makes sense but that does not mean it does not exist. It just means you have not found it yet or may never find it. You want to equivocate God to Crabchairs in order to draw your conclusions. But they are not the same thing, at least to some people. If you do not agree then you will go on to draw those same conclusions. Others, including atheist do not put crabchairs and God in the same column due to, for example, the historicity associated with the concept of God. It is as simple as that a disagreement on whether god belongs on the list of things that can be dismissed outright. *Dismissed insofar as to say one KNOWS it does not exist.
Edited by 1.61803, : No reason given.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 1523 of 3207 (859261)
07-30-2019 10:31 AM
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07-30-2019 9:01 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Stile writes:
Based on this information-available-to-them-at-the-time, it is rational to say "I know that no other far-away land masses exist."
Is it correct? No.
Is it rational and based on the available evidence? Yes.
No.
It is not rational to make a declaration of absolute knowledge based on tentative and incomplete information. They assume that there is not other far away land masses and this is a rational assumption.
However unless they can show on their charts that they have explored the total seas of the Earth they are speculating. Just my opinion.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 1674 of 3207 (859620)
08-02-2019 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1673 by Stile
08-02-2019 8:36 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Hi Stile,
Stile writes:
Therefore, I can say "I know that God does not exist. Because the proposition doesn't have a rational connection to reality.
I suppose you can say anything you want. I can say I am Napoleon.
It could turn out that the entire universe is conscious. That humans are part of this conscientiousness. a universal conscientiousness that pervades our reality.
If I want to call this God then God in this sense would exist.
If panpsychism is someday found to be how reality is manifested then this would explain alot. Maybe the reason you can not point to God and say eureka is because perhaps we are intrinsically such a part of God and we can not take ourselves out of the equation.
Or it is all bollocks as Tangle would say.
Edited by 1.61803, : replaced yourself to ourselves.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 1676 of 3207 (859623)
08-02-2019 10:42 AM
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08-02-2019 10:38 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Lol.
Just remember they scoffed at just about every crazy idea once upon a time.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 1680 of 3207 (859627)
08-02-2019 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 1677 by Stile
08-02-2019 10:48 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Again,
you can say anything you want, but that does not make it so.
You do not know. You already previously conceded the possibility of god and then went on to say you know it does not exist. That is contradictory.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 1681 of 3207 (859629)
08-02-2019 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1678 by AZPaul3
08-02-2019 10:50 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
AZPaul3 writes:
I'll go see if my toothbrush has an opinion.
Funny. Just know AZ the biome in your gut may have opinions you thought were your own.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 1682 of 3207 (859631)
08-02-2019 11:33 AM
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08-02-2019 10:51 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Stile writes:
To think that imagination should lead one to believe an idea is a part of reality is irrational. It can also be dangerous. It's always silly.
Einstein disagrees with you.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 1692 of 3207 (859645)
08-02-2019 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1685 by Stile
08-02-2019 11:47 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Your argument is fallacious. I showed you a perfect example based on your Viking scenario.
You said that it is rational for vikings to state they KNOW there is no other land masses based on all their previous expeditions that show no other land masses.
That I told you is fallacious as well despite you thinking it is fine to go about stating complete knowledge in the face of ignorance.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 1694 of 3207 (859648)
08-02-2019 12:18 PM
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08-02-2019 11:57 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
AZPaul3 writes:
Those opinions *are* my own. My biome is as much a part of "me" as my cerebral cortex.
Even though they do not share one bit of your DNA??
You may just be some eating mechanism they inhabit that facilitates them.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 1706 of 3207 (859680)
08-02-2019 1:05 PM
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08-02-2019 12:54 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
I agree, them bugs in your gut are not only welcome to your opinions, they may BE the thing that formulates many of them. As Spock would say, "fascinating."

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 1821 of 3207 (860137)
08-05-2019 5:23 PM
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08-03-2019 2:48 PM


Re: What is "rational"?
I have forgotten what the point was. lol.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 1972 of 3207 (860426)
08-07-2019 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1964 by Stile
08-07-2019 2:59 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Stile writes:
We know that for things to exist, there is a logical link between the imagination and reality.
What???
Therefore - to be rational in the context of something existing - there has to be a link between the imagination and reality.
So is there anything that we know to exist that is not rational?
Or are you saying by virtue of existing it is rational.
Because a platypus is one of the most irrational creatures I have ever seen.
And when first described was met with disbelief and mockery.
But they do exist.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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