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Message 1602 of 3207 (859373)
07-31-2019 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1578 by Tangle
07-31-2019 10:56 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Well why not? It's what we do, try to find stuff out.
Indeed. But when there are no effects there to study then what are we studying?
What are we going to find out besides that there are no effects to study?

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Message 1610 of 3207 (859381)
07-31-2019 12:58 PM
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07-31-2019 12:49 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
We'll see what occurs.
I didn't get any memo on subject change.
Are we still talking non-interventionist gods?
I take "non-interventionist" literally. No effect on our universe.
By definition there would be nothing there to see.

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Message 1675 of 3207 (859621)
08-02-2019 10:38 AM
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08-02-2019 10:14 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Instead of just god we could commune with our car keys, our trash cans and our computers (except those with the latest Win 10 updates).
I'm not sure I like the idea of my trash can saying "Thank you" every time I stuff a pizza box in her. Much too creepy.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1678 of 3207 (859625)
08-02-2019 10:50 AM
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08-02-2019 10:42 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Just remember they scoffed at just about every crazy idea once upon a time.
And for the most part with good reason.
But I am an open kinda guy. Before I call it crackpot I'll go see if my toothbrush has an opinion.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1689 of 3207 (859640)
08-02-2019 11:57 AM
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08-02-2019 11:12 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Just know AZ the biome in your gut may have opinions you thought were your own.
Those opinions *are* my own. My biome is as much a part of "me" as my cerebral cortex.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1704 of 3207 (859674)
08-02-2019 12:54 PM
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08-02-2019 12:18 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Even though they do not share one bit of your DNA??
There are lots of non-DNA vectors to our opinions. My personal biome is not unique in that regard.
And since without it I could not live my biome can be seen as yet another bodily organ required to sustain my existence and thus has as much right to my opinions as my DNA.
You may just be some eating mechanism they inhabit that facilitates them.
I am. You are. We all are nothing more than the complex survival vessels for those evolved self-replicators that started this whole "life" thing off billions of years ago.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1711 of 3207 (859700)
08-02-2019 1:34 PM
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08-02-2019 1:05 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
I agree, them bugs in your gut are not only welcome to your opinions, they may BE the thing that formulates many of them.
Yes. My opinions are chuck full of bugs just like those polite Japanese trash cans ... and my toothbrush.

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Message 1740 of 3207 (859794)
08-03-2019 5:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1738 by Phat
08-03-2019 1:26 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Just because they lack objective evidence is no reason to dismiss their claims.
That is precisely the reason to reject their claims.
but some arguments are worthy of further investigation.
Not without any evidence to give credence to the claim. No.
Are you so cocksure of your position that you refuse to entertain philosophical ones which lack objective evidence?
Say "yes" Sarah. Say "yes".
As long as I'm on this forum I wont allow the likes of Stile, jaer, and/or you to frame the basis for any faith based claim.
Feeling your oats are you?
As long as I'm on this forum I won't allow you to make any faith based claim without objective evidence to back it up. I eat oatmeal too.
{Not really. I'm not going to follow you around but you know the spirit.}
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Message 1741 of 3207 (859795)
08-03-2019 5:40 AM
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08-03-2019 1:32 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
He mirrors the perfection that He desires we obtain.
Evidence required.
Just because God ...
Who?
Evidence required.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1747 of 3207 (859822)
08-03-2019 1:17 PM
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08-03-2019 12:19 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
How would one go about obtaining evidence that would satisfy you?
Let me know when and I’ll host a small party of 20 or so at my favorite pizza place where he/she/it can show us his majik by putting an end to our world’s need/penchant for war and put an immediate and permanent end to hunger and disease.
Since it’s such a small party she could whisk us away to another galaxy to another planet to another intelligent species where she promises to stop torturing them as well as all others in the universe.
Then we could return to the party where the media is set up for a press conference where it would explain itself and its reasons and beg our forgiveness for the countless millennia of torture and evil it inflicted on the universe.
And then pick up the tab.
That would help.
I’m not set on the agenda. Open to the specifics. Have him call me and we can discuss the details.

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Message 1751 of 3207 (859832)
08-03-2019 1:51 PM
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08-03-2019 1:27 PM


Re: What is "rational"?
Eleanor Roosevelt can fly.
Reasoning: if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings she could fly.

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Message 1752 of 3207 (859839)
08-03-2019 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1749 by Phat
08-03-2019 1:26 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
So if you prayed to God, you would be willing to lay down your accusations against Her long enough to allow God to inform you of His(Her) presence?
Let's see a god worth my praying to first then we'll discuss whether my accusations against her are worthy.

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Message 1766 of 3207 (859870)
08-04-2019 12:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1756 by Faith
08-03-2019 5:31 PM


Re: chances
What butchery?
Israel vs Canaan
The Cirraean War (First Sacred War)
Second Sacred War
Third Sacred War
Fourth Sacred War
Muslim Conquests
Frisian Uprisings
The Crusades I thru VI
The Umayyad Conquest & Reconquista
French Religious Wars
Thirty Years' War
Taiping Rebellion
Lebanese Civil War
The Second War Of Keppel
Sudanese Civil War I & II
German Peasants’ War
The Biafran Wars
Buddhist Uprising - Vietnam
The Dungan Revolt
Croatian and Bosnian Wars
+ hundreds more
What religion?
All of them.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1768 of 3207 (859877)
08-04-2019 2:12 AM
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08-04-2019 1:53 AM


Re: chances
You said you'd "seen butchery of the human body and spirit" by religion. You were not talking about wars.
Who are you to tell me what I was or was not talking about?

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AZPaul3
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Message 1770 of 3207 (859881)
08-04-2019 3:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1769 by Faith
08-04-2019 2:18 AM


Re: chances
The list is there. If that doesn’t define and provide enough butchery for you then so be it.

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