I Know That God Does Not Exist

Don't be silly. Speculation is speculation, witness reports are witness reports. Not a good example. We're talking about stuff you can't witness yourself, but you can witness a baby and see for yourself if it helps the marriage. That is not what we're talking about.I ccouldn't believe in God on the basis of wanting to believe in God. I don't know how anyone else can but some say they do so I guess they can though I can't. As I've been saying, there are lots of witnesses reported in the Bible to miraculous PHYSICAL events that are intended to be evidence of the reality of God. That's the "answer sheet," whatever that means, for those of us who believe those accounts. If you don't you don't, but that's the point, the evidence is there, you believe it or you don't. I'm talking about the Bible, I don't know what you are talking about, but the Bible reports on lots of evidence for God and you don't have to figure anything out, you either believe it or you don't. You can't test for a spiritual being. He either gives you evidence of his existence or he doesn't. If he does you either believe it or you don't. There are no tests you could do that I know of. I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about.I'm not talking about any "answer sheet," I'm talking about evidence for the existence of God as such.Also I believe there has been plenty of progress in society, civilization, compassion, and also science as a result of Christianity over the last two thousand years. But I'm not making that argument here, I'm just arguing that the Bible reports on witness evidence for the existence of God. Believe it or not; take it or leave it.

I wasn't asking you for your opinion, I was answering the ridiculous claim that we have no evidence of God, which is not true. I knew perfectly well what your opinion is. I was saying that we do have evidence and those who know God believe that evidence. You don't know God and you reject the evidence. So what else is new? Just makes you another know-it-all rejecter of the truth.

You say "Faith prays for Armageddon?" Where do you get such krazy ideas?And I really don't think there's all that much difference between the theologies of dredge and thugs and me. Insofar as we believe in what the Bible says anyway, because it SAYS "God is love" and "God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish but have everlasting llfe." That's a promise to love us isn't it? And "We love Him because He first loved us." In other words He gives us the means to fulfill that command to love Him. He loves us first and makes us know it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It's the wisdom of the wise that says there is no God and God doesn't love us etc., the stuff you all are saying here and God is going to destroy that false wisdom.

I guess you have a different translation than I do, dredge. Mine says the cross is "the power of God UNTO SALVATION." Yours leaves out the last two words but they're crucial: the cross is what gives us eternal llfe. I hope that's what you believe. The cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, it says, which sadly seems to be most on this thread, the possessors of the "wisdom of the wise" which is only going to destroy them; but to us it is the means of our salvation. I hope your church hasn't deprived you of that knowledge.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

True. Biblical religion is a religion of love, and a religion that gives us personal access to God Himself in relationship. Yes it is unique, but it is also the truth, the only true religion. There is something called "bhakti" Hinduism in which you cultivate love for God, but that's not quite the same thing as Christianity. Still, it's closer than most. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

How is being deprived of a wisdom that is going to kill you a "threat?"And of course that is more of the wisdom of the wise. I obviously can't change your mind. God could if you'd let Him but apparently you aren't interested.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I think what it means is that all that worldly wisdom will no longer exist when Jesus comes back and sets everything right for eternity.I think it would make me rather peculiarly happy if you were there too.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Would you please stop confusing real Christianity with Catholicism's murderous Inquisition?Also why do you attack religion and forget the tally of murders of all the communist and phascist regimes of the last century, which even exceeded Catholicism's by hundreds of millions.You guys really know absolutely zip about true history.Yes I know you think it's not real but you're wrong.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

When someone, such as dredge, says that atheism makes for a meaningless llfe style he's not saying people FEEL it to be meaningless, which they may or may not. He's saying simply and factually that it actually HAS no meaning, even if we personally can find meaning in it or create meaning to suit ourselves. But when we know the God of the Bible and His amazing redemptive plans for the human race, THEN we have meanings of which unbelievers can't even dream. Try understanding that it's a simple observation, an objective fact. (Just as my observation of how the world is going against Christianity is a simple objective fact and has nothing to do with some personal need for martyrdom. You muddied up that one too. When I'm emotional I'm emotional, when I'm being objective I'm being objective. If you want to have a discussion stay with the facts and stop making up stuff about your opponents.)Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Oh please, cut out the ridiculous snark. It's false, and you know nothing about history. You enjoy smearing all religion and don't want to have to deal with distinctions, I get it, but I'm going to keep bringing up the distinctions because they matter.

Boy is that a case of willful blindness.

You can't pit one part of scripture against another.

Sigh.

The h a t e here is yours, and it's been escalating lately. You seem to be utterly consumed by it.I personally don't defend the Crusades but then I haven't spent a lot of time reading up on them either, and dredge may be right. By the time of Luther the Turkish Empire had encroached deeply into Europe. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.