I Know That God Does Not Exist

I should have been clearer but I don't know if it would have mattered: The phrases about "gospel" and "faith" are intended to characterize whatever form of materialism or naturalism is practiced as nonscientific but more like a religion. that seems more to the point than the exact meaning of naturalism.

I read it! What I'd said wasn't intended to be anything more than an attempt to say materialism and naturalism are basically the same words.

Oooo a mysterious voice and a vision. No, science can't touch anything in that area, so you know their reaction will be simply to impute it to some kind of insanity. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Just for the sake of having some context for your comments, would you tell us if you've ever had a similar kind of experience, a vision or a voice or the ilke?Thanks.

Lucky you.But it doesn't have to be either/or (well, maybe the way YOU thlnk about it, it does.)Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The two different sources of visionary experiences. The spiritual and the sexual. Yes I know you were being mocking as usual.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Of course he is. He despises religion.

As I said, lucky you, but as I also said it's not an either/or. You insist on your wrong understanding of religion.

Not if he's a god.

Lower case "gods" are demons according to the Bible, but they nevertheless exist. In the west they seem to have gone into hiding since Christ came.As for science's supposedly educating us out of any reason for them to exist, we who believe in the Creator God of the Bible think in terms of ultimate and proximal causes, so that although we can certainly see how lightning and hurricanes and all the rest of it follow natural laws, and we impute those laws to the work of God, we think of Him as controlling what they do as their Ultimate Cause. We do have evidence for this in terms of prayers answered for changes in the weather. Even the Native Indians had surprising answers to their form of prayer. Such as that their Great Spirit might bring the buffalo near so we can have one to eat. Yup. That was reported by the expedition to the Northwest. Lewis and Clark? Memory fails me a lot these days. The buffalo had gone far away and the winter was hard upon them but the next morning a whole herd was stamping around just outside their camp. YEAH, NOT ABOUT WEATHER, SORRY, LOST TRACK.Yeah I guess none of this can be proved or disproved on the basis of scientific method, and it's easy enough to debunk prayer, much of which isn't legit anyway for one reason or another, but believers have had a lot of experience of answered prayer. Yeah I know it's all too irrational for some.What was C. S. Lewis" rationale?I once wanted to prove God to unbelievers, but then I realized He doesn't want to be proved by scientific or logical means. He gave us witnesses and we're to believe them and when we do all heaven breaks loose as it were. I'm talking about the God of the Bible of course. But "rational" types refuse to believe them, and in fact put in a prodigious amount of work finding reasons to disbelieve them. But that's the way God planned it. You believe the witness testimony or you don't. It's there to be believed, so nobody can claim they're deprived of evidence.ABE: OH, forgot: About the Flood. Actually Physical Geology supports it very well. It's Historical Geology that makes such a mess of reality there's no way to prove or disprove most of it. Yup, unfalsifiable. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

There are no volcanic strata. There is a very occasional volcanic sill that looks like a stratum but is an intrusive that occurred after all the strata were in place. So produce some pictures. There aren't any.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

No doubt it is a mistake to get into this discussion at all but this one got me: Are you answering someone here or is this just what you think people ascribe to the deity?The God I believe in is not part of the universe but completely outside it, encompassing or comprehending all of it but not being a part of it in any sense at all. I can't think of a test for that myself. He is described as "upholding" or maintaining it, though, so if He did disappear so would the universe, and you'll never find out anything that way either.

"Universe" usually means MATERIAL universe as most people use it, the universe of physical phenomena, such as particles, atoms, stars, planets, galaxies, black holes and so on. Perhaps I need to include nonphysical stuff like light and electricity and gravity? You know, all the stuff that is accessible to scientific testing. Or I might use the term "Creation." Would that help? How about if I say, "The God I believe in is outside the physical universe, He has no physical properties at all, nor any measurable properties, nor anything detectable by scientific means. He is pure Spirit." Does that work for you? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You'd be dead.And without God there would be no universe. The Bible's God of course.

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