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Topic: I Know That God Does Not Exist
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes: You are agreeing, aren't you, that all those are irrational? You did write that I shot them down, didn't you?
I said that shooting down one or two ideas of God has no effect on the whole idea of God. I repeat that you don't seem to understand what rational means. If you did, you could answer my question honestly: What are the logical errors in the idea of God?
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes: Why do you keep refusing to read and respond to my posts?
I have responded to every one of your posts. I have answered every question that you asked me. On one occasion, you said you would answer my question if I answered yours first - but you never answered mine.
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes: Good for you!
Your bias is showing. And it's not the only foolish mistake you've made in this thread. Maybe you can redeem yourself by answering my question: What are the logical errors in the idea of God?
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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Sarah Bellum
Member (Idle past 623 days) Posts: 826 Joined: 05-04-2019
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Message 1909 of 3207 (860319)
08-06-2019 5:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 1904 by Faith
08-06-2019 5:14 PM
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Re: Protestant is Evil
Well, at least you're not pretending that I'm not answering your posts, like ringo is.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes: Before you can decide whether or not there is a deity, you have to decide what a deity is.
That would be your problem, not mine. You have declared the idea of God to be irrational without any clear understanding of what the idea is. Your arguments have been strawmen.
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Protestant is Evil
Sarah Bellum writes: Well, at least you're not pretending that I'm not answering your posts, like ringo is.
You're answering my posts. You're not answering my question: List the logical errors in the idea of God.
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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Sarah Bellum
Member (Idle past 623 days) Posts: 826 Joined: 05-04-2019
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Message 1912 of 3207 (860323)
08-06-2019 5:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 1910 by ringo
08-06-2019 5:28 PM
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Re: No evidence = irrational
If you claim that my understanding of the idea is not clear, then you really ought to try to make it clear. Oh, right, you're not engaging in a discussion, you're just complaining.
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Sarah Bellum
Member (Idle past 623 days) Posts: 826 Joined: 05-04-2019
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Message 1913 of 3207 (860324)
08-06-2019 5:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 1907 by ringo
08-06-2019 5:20 PM
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Oh, you like answering questions now? So how about telling me why you think the idea of god (any particular one, you choose, if you wish) is rational? Oh right, you're not really up for answering questions.
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 1916 by ringo, posted 08-06-2019 5:49 PM | | Sarah Bellum has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes: If you claim that my understanding of the idea is not clear, then you really ought to try to make it clear.
I think I have. I think I gave an example. Here it is again:
Suppose I said, "If a four-legged object is a coffee table, then my dog is a coffee table." That statement is rational even if the premise is inaccurate and the conclusion is absurd. On the other hand, suppose I said, "If a four-legged object is a coffee table, then coffee comes from Brazil." That statement is irrational because the conclusion doesn't follow from the premise. Even if the conclusion is true, the logic is wrong. Are you with me so far? If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Now for homework, answer my question: What are the logical errors, if any, in the idea of God?
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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Sarah Bellum
Member (Idle past 623 days) Posts: 826 Joined: 05-04-2019
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Message 1915 of 3207 (860326)
08-06-2019 5:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 1908 by ringo
08-06-2019 5:23 PM
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Bias? If not adhering to any of these superstitions after 9/11, the Northern Irish Troubles, the persecution of the Rohingya, the pogroms and, of course, the Final Solution, is bias then what do you call unbiased?
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 1917 by ringo, posted 08-06-2019 5:51 PM | | Sarah Bellum has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes: So how about telling me why you think the idea of god (any particular one, you choose, if you wish) is rational?
I didn't say it was rational. I asked you to show that it's irrational. I'm still waiting. Edited by ringo, : No reason given.
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes: Bias? If not adhering to any of these superstitions after 9/11, the Northern Irish Troubles, the persecution of the Rohingya, the pogroms and, of course, the Final Solution, is bias then what do you call unbiased?
Unbiased would be arguing in favor of an idea I don't believe in. 
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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Sarah Bellum
Member (Idle past 623 days) Posts: 826 Joined: 05-04-2019
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Message 1918 of 3207 (860333)
08-06-2019 10:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 1906 by ringo
08-06-2019 5:17 PM
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Re: No evidence = irrational
You insisted that I was "shooting down one or two ideas of God". Does that mean you agree I showed the ideas, that of the pagan "thunderbolt-throwing" sort of god and that of the monotheistic omnipotent, omniscient sort of gods, like those of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc. were all irrational?
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Sarah Bellum
Member (Idle past 623 days) Posts: 826 Joined: 05-04-2019
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Message 1919 of 3207 (860334)
08-06-2019 10:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 1917 by ringo
08-06-2019 5:51 PM
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Why would arguing in favor of something you don't believe in be unbiased? I would think it would be the exact opposite of unbiased?
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Sarah Bellum
Member (Idle past 623 days) Posts: 826 Joined: 05-04-2019
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Message 1920 of 3207 (860335)
08-06-2019 10:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 1914 by ringo
08-06-2019 5:47 PM
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Interesting. So an incorrect argument is irrational, according to you. But couldn't someone make an error in a carefully reasoned argument? Would that argument then be irrational, or just incorrect? Can't one make mistakes without being considered irrational? For example, is the following statement rational or irrational" "You have no reason to believe this statement."
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