And you have no actual beliefs. I don't defend religious belief with facts or evidence. To me, those are irrelevant arguments. To you, I have empty beliefs. Hence why we never agree.
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Again you misrepresent reality. I have lots of beliefs. I have very strong beliefs on moral and ethical behavior. I have very strong beliefs that all people should be treated fairly and without discriminatory prejudice. I have very strong beliefs in justice and right and wrong. What I don't have is a belief in the supernatural. Supernatural includes some sort of god. So how about you stop telling lies about me.
I don't defend religious belief with facts or evidence.
You don't defend them with arguments at all. You string words together that look impressive, but if you actually took a moment to be objective and read what you claim are arguments, you would see they are just word salad and empty platitudes.
Whenever you say things like "being one with christ" or "the living christ", why don't you take some time and think about what that means. Then try to explain it in a way that someone that has never heard of jesus christ can understand what you mean. If you can not do that, then those words and terms actually mean nothing. You are just repeating bullshit that apologists have been spouting for years.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
You're not seriously claiming that the idea that two people born in the same location, at the same time, have the same life predicted for them by star charts is a rational idea?
Anybody who reads the thread can see that I am claiming no such thing.
Here's the entire post that you're responding to:
Sarah Bellum writes:
You can't seriously be claiming that horoscopes are rational?
I said, "You're still confusing wrong with irrational." Horoscopes are certainly wrong - i.e. not based on reality. But that does not make the idea irrational. That's a separate issue.
If you want to claim that something is irrational, you have to show how it is irrational. You have to show the errors in reasoning. Showing that the conclusion is true doesn't cut it. Your math teacher requires you to show your work. Message 1943
I said quite plainly that, "Horoscopes are certainly wrong - i.e. not based on reality."
quote:Horoscopes are certainly wrong - i.e. not based on reality. But that does not make the idea irrational. That's a separate issue.
I think we've got to the gist of the problem here! Is it that you're claiming the idea of deity (or horoscopes) is "wrong" but somehow not "irrational"? Forgive me for asking this question, but you seem to be unwilling to give a clear answer.