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Faith 
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Message 2476 of 2483 (874844)
04-10-2020 11:45 PM
Reply to: Message 2474 by Sarah Bellum
04-10-2020 9:43 PM


Re: Divorce
Jesus said that Moses loosened the Law on divorce because of the hardness of heart he found in the Israelite men. Commentaries described them as divorcing their wives for all kinds of trivial reasons, like how they burned the food and so on. The Law itself is still "God hates divorce" despite Moses' loosening of it for the sake of accommodating a strong if bad habit, presumably to keep the peace or something along those lines.

There is plenty of argument about possible acceptable reasons for divorce and certainly unfaithfulness ("fornication") is often considered a good reason. Some argue even against that, however. But "God hates divorce" stands pretty much as the bottom line in all cases. Unfortunately the churches have joined the culture in allowing easy divorce, being far more lenient than even Moses was. I think most churches go way too far these days. The divorce statistic for Christians is indistinguishable from that for nonChristians.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 2477 of 2483 (874845)
04-10-2020 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 2475 by dwise1
04-10-2020 10:46 PM


Re: Divorce
Women could not divorce their husbands in the time of Moses. They couldn't do much of anything in the time of Moses.

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Message 2478 of 2483 (874847)
04-11-2020 12:37 AM
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04-10-2020 11:49 PM


Re: Divorce
Well yea according to the bible, women are little more then baby making cattle. with the same rights as cattle.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 2479 of 2483 (874848)
04-11-2020 1:25 AM
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04-10-2020 11:49 PM


Re: Divorce
Well, considering how astonishingly wrong you have consistently been about just about everything else, I am most definitely going to take the rabbi's word over yours on this one.

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Message 2480 of 2483 (874868)
04-11-2020 8:33 AM
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04-11-2020 12:37 AM


Re: Divorce
I think I swent too far in my own comment. Women couldn't divorce their husbands in Moses' time, and didn't have many of the rights men had, but there are some very strong women in the Bible, and some very loving relationships between spouses too. It's not always the harsh "chattel" idea that is so familiar.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 2481 of 2483 (874879)
04-11-2020 9:29 AM
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04-10-2020 11:45 PM


Re: Divorce
By this aren't you saying that you and other religions disagree on whether or not "God hates divorce"? What bible passage are you using to justify your disagreement with these other religions?

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 2482 of 2483 (874880)
04-11-2020 9:34 AM
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04-10-2020 10:46 PM


Re: Divorce
I've always thought that religions are vast piles of sentences saying an enormous variety of not necessarily consistent things, so somebody could claim whatever they want and pretend to have divine right behind them.

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Faith 
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Message 2483 of 2483 (874909)
04-11-2020 6:28 PM
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04-11-2020 9:29 AM


Re: Divorce
I am not addressing "other religions" at all. I chose Chrisxtianity because I was persuaded it's true, the Bible is actually given to us by God Himself, and in making that choice I gave up all other religions as false. Not without studying them to some extent. I read my way to belief over a period of years and recognized that the truth is in the Bible so what other religions say may have some academic interest but that's about all.

I thought Jesus quoted "God hates diveroce" but I can't find it. It does occur in the OT in Malachi in a translation I don't use:

(NASB) 16 For I hatedivorce,” says the Lord, the God of Israel,
I didn't look up the other translations but they would just have variations on this same meaning.

Jesus doesn't quote it, he merely expands on it, saying the woman is caused to commit adultery if you divorce her..

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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