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ringo Member Posts: 18874 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
The definition disagrees with you. Edited by ringo, : Spilling. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ICANT Member Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi ringo,
There was light before water in Genesis 1:1. You believe everything was created in chapter 1:2-31. Everything except a great fish Gen. 1:21, and mankind in the image and likeness of God Gen. 1:27 was created in Genesis 1:1 and the generations of that day lays out how. I can't help it if you are like a lot of people I know. Their attitude is they know what they believe and don't want to be bothered with the facts. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi ringo,
1. Webster the measured or measurable period during which an action, process, or condition exists or continues : DURATION Definition of TIME 2. Dictionary.com "the system of those sequential relations that any event has to any other, as past, present, or future; indefinite and continuous duration regarded as that in which events succeed one another." Definition of time | Dictionary.com 3. The Free Dictionary " A nonspatial continuum in which events occur in apparently irreversible succession from the past through the present to the future."time 4. Definition of Time – Exactly What Is Time? There are many definitions of time at this location. 5. University of Helsinki Before the Big Bang, there was no space or time. "In the theory of relativity, the concept of time begins with the Big Bang the same way as parallels of latitude begin at the North Pole. You cannot go further north than the North Pole," says Kari Enqvist, Professor of Cosmology. What is time? As you see you can find any and all kinds of definitions of time. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ringo Member Posts: 18874 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
It doesn't say that.
It doesn't say that.
It doesn't say anything about generations. How can you have generations in one day?
It doesn't say that.
I don't believe any such thing but that's what the Bible says.
It doesn't say that.
There are no generations in a single day.
As I said, I don't believe a word of it - but it says what it says. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member Posts: 18874 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
You only asked for one. The other ones that you cited pretty much agree with the one I cited and disagree with you.
It says there was no concept of time: quote:Some religions have no concept of hell but that has no bearing on the existence of hell. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ICANT Member Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi ringo,
That probably due to the fact there was no man to come up with a concept of time.
That actualy says "the concept of time begins with the Big Bang." The concept of time did not actually exist until after Genesis 1:1 was written giving us God's definition of a day, and then making the sun visible from earth so we had something to use to come up with the concept of time. You know the earth's rotation in relation to the sun. God Bless,] "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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vimesey Member Posts: 1217 From: Birmingham, England Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
That is a description of a really simplistic and unsophisticated perception of time by some human beings.
To understand time as it is (ie one of the dimensions of space time, which came into existence at the singularity), you need to be able to do the mathematics involved in relativistic physics - or at the very least, be able to appreciate the implications of that mathematics. Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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ringo Member Posts: 18874 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
That isn't true. People had a concept of time long before Genesis was written. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ICANT Member Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi ringo,
In Genesis 1:2 we have the first evening followed by a dark period that had closed the first light period with the following light period in Genesis 1:6 beginning of the second day. I have never seen an evening that did not close a light period.
Are you saying the sun and moon are not part of the universe? If they are part of the universe they were created when the heavens and the earth was created in Genesis 1:1.
quote: The Hebrew towledah here is referring to the account/history/generations of the specific day in which he heavens and the earth began to exist. That history is recorded in the following verses. There is no limit to the duration of the light period in which the heavens and the earth was created. It was just the light period that had existed from the beginning until the evening at Genesis 1:2.
The sun and moon are a part of the universe so they existed in the day the heavens and the earth was created. The same day God planted a garden.
If you don't believe what it says why are you telling me what it says. Lets see what it says. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The generations/history of the light period (day) in which God created the heavens and the earth begins in Genesis 2:4 Genesis 1:5 God declares day one. At the beginning of the second day God did some work that separated the water in the heaven and the water that covered the earth. This division between the water on earth and the water above He called heaven. The following light period began the third day. verse 6-8 nothing was created. In verse 9 God told the water to gather to one place and allow dry land to appear. quote: Nothing created, or made. Earth brought forth grass, seed, fruit trees, yielding fruit after his kind. These fruit tree and grass was to come from the seed that was on the earth. Nothing was created, or made. The grass and trees were produced after its kind from seed. The third day ended with the light period of the fourth day. The Fourth day. quote: Nothing created or made. But these lights are to help us have days, seasons, and years. They were to give light upon the earth. So God did some work on two great lights. Notice they were not created, brought into existence. אשה, translation made def do work with/on things
Genesis 1:21 ברא created brought into existence. Genesis 1:27 ברא created brought into existence
That is what the text says in Genesis 2:4.
Your unbelief is not my problem, it is yours. It says what it means, and means what it says. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi Vimesey,
Actually I gave quite a few definitions of time. Would you like to add yours?
What is time that you can measure? Length, width, and height are dimensions. Everyone of those can be measured. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi ringo,
What was that concept based upon 3800 years ago? God Bless,
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vimesey Member Posts: 1217 From: Birmingham, England Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
OK, if I’m going to be able to reply in a way which helps here, I need to know if you are aware that space and time are not separate, but are part of a single concept, being spacetime.
For example, are you aware that if you left Earth in a spaceship which (purely in spatial terms) could travel at speeds of a decent fraction of the speed of light, you could return to Earth younger than your kids ? Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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ICANT Member Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi vimesey,
I know that according to Hawking and others that is the concept put forth for the BBT. But just because someone assumed that to be so does not make it a fact. Do you have any evidence other than an assumption? If so I would be interested in reading it.
I know that assumptions have been made that say that is theoretically possible. But no I am not aware that I could actually do that. At 81 years old I would like to take a trip that would reduce my age by about 50 years. Has that experiment been tried yet? Eternity is. If there are events in eternity they do not happen simultaneously the duration between those events is what is measured by time. Therefore time is a concept created by mankind starting with the Egyptians to measure the duration between those events. That measurement is based on the revolution of the earth relative to the sun. The Jewish day was from the end of a light period followed by a period of darkness and the next light period the beginning of the next day. The ancient Egyptians were one of the first cultures to widely divide days into generally agreed-upon equal parts. It would make no difference whether there is 12 hours, 24 hours, 48 hours, or even 96 hours in a day. But none of those numbers would change the length of duration between events in eternity, or the duration of the rotation of the earth relative to the sun. The numbers produced by our concept of time are for our benefit only. So how do you measure time? If it is the 4th dimension of the universe how do you measure it? "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ringo Member Posts: 18874 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
Well, you weren't there in Genesis 1. If there was a "first day", then it had to start with either an evening or a morning. In case you haven't heard, the Jewish day always starts at sundown, so the first day COULD NOT close a light period.
I said they were not there on Day One.
Nope. The Bible says explicitly that they were not created until Day Four.
There's no point in discussing Hebrew with you. You can't even read English. See above.
That's a silly question. I don't have to believe The Lord of the Rings is true to know what it says.
It says God MADE two great lights.
And you don't know either what it says or what it means. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member Posts: 18874 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
Pretty much what it was 5000 years ago and 10000 years ago: days, months, years - the progress of events. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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