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Phat
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Message 2671 of 2686 (881782)
08-30-2020 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 2670 by jar
08-30-2020 11:05 AM


Re: WORD UP: What does the phrase mean in the Gospel Of John 1:1---->
yes. I read both of you. As Christians, we need to market Christ before we market our responsibility. Otherwise we may as well quit playing games and simply call ourselves humanists.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.”- Francis A. Schaeffer

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
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Message 2672 of 2686 (881788)
08-30-2020 2:51 PM
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08-30-2020 1:58 PM


Re: WORD UP: What does the phrase mean in the Gospel Of John 1:1---->
Phat writes:

As Christians, we need to market Christ before we market our responsibility.

********.

Utter ********!

Jesus was all about responsibility; the message of Jesus is responsibility.

To market Jesus separate from responsibility is to denigrate, diminish and degrade Jesus and the message of Jesus.


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ringo
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Message 2673 of 2686 (881791)
08-30-2020 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 2665 by Raphael
08-30-2020 12:53 AM


Re: WHO WHAT WHEN and WHERE
Raphael writes:

It makes sense that this phrase seems like nonsense, ringo, but it actually has history and context within the christian tradition.


It makes sense as written. I couldn't care less what "Christian tradition" tries to twist it into.

Raphael writes:

Hope this makes sense.


It really doesn't.

What does make sense is if "the Word" refers to words.


"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 2674 of 2686 (881793)
08-30-2020 3:26 PM
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08-30-2020 1:58 PM


Re: WORD UP: What does the phrase mean in the Gospel Of John 1:1---->
Phat writes:

Otherwise we may as well quit playing games and simply call ourselves humanists.


That would certainly be a step up.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ICANT
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Message 2675 of 2686 (881797)
08-30-2020 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 2660 by DrJones*
08-28-2020 4:48 PM


Re: [qs=Re: After We Die
Hi Dr,

Dr writes:

no he's saying the earth is not a circle. A circle is a 2d object, the earth is a 3d object. This is elementary grade material.

If I look at sun, or moon I see a circle. If I see them as a circle does that mean they are flat?

As far as that goes the 1611 definition of the word 'circle' encompassed the whole body or solid matter of a round substance, are denominated a circle; a ring; an orb; the earth.

If I say I see the earth sitting on the circle of the sun does that mean either is flat?

Dr writes:

exactly the people were scattered across the earth, doesn't say anything about the earth itself moving.

But Genesis 10:25 specifically states: "for in his days the earth divided". It says nothing about the families or people, or the ones building the tower.

I think science teaches that the earth did divide in the past, or did I misunderstand what is taught?

quote:
Genesis 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

The verses preceding this verse talks about the people who were building a tower to heaven. Them he scattered upon the face of the earth.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 2676 of 2686 (881798)
08-30-2020 4:11 PM
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08-30-2020 4:07 PM


Re: [qs=Re: After We Die
If I see them as a circle does that mean they are flat?

no, but it means that if you declare them to be a circle that you would be wrong.

1611 definition of the word 'circle' encompassed the whole body or solid matter of a round substance, are denominated a circle; a ring; an orb; the earth.

1611 is much later then when the bible was actually written.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Message 2677 of 2686 (881801)
08-30-2020 10:02 PM
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08-30-2020 4:11 PM


Re: [qs=Re: After We Die
Hi Dr,

Dr writes:

1611 is much later then when the bible was actually written.

But that is when the KJV bible was translated from Hebrew and Greek to English. And the definition given was for the English word circle at that time.

God Bless,


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Message 2678 of 2686 (881802)
08-30-2020 10:20 PM
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08-30-2020 10:02 PM


Re: [qs=Re: After We Die
And the definition given was for the English word circle at that time

so 1611, after it was widely know that the earth was sphere-ish, the translators used a word that said the earth was round. So at best, the translators of the bible predicted that the earth was round long after it was common knowledge.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Phat
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Message 2679 of 2686 (881930)
09-05-2020 3:58 PM
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08-30-2020 10:20 PM


Re: [qs=Re: After We Die

Religion For The Non-Religious

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Message 2680 of 2686 (882195)
09-15-2020 9:39 AM


when u get up in the morning i want you to look in the mirror and say

god did not create me

god does not exist

that is the definition of mental illness

the creation telling his creator he is not there


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Message 2681 of 2686 (882196)
09-15-2020 9:48 AM
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09-15-2020 9:39 AM


A cartoon in a mid-70's German parody/political magazine, Pardon! shows a person with an enormous nose looking up into the sky asking God why he had been given such a huge nose. God appears to him from behind a cloud with an enormous nose to tell him, "Because you were created in my image."

Do please at least try to get a clue!


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Message 2682 of 2686 (882208)
09-15-2020 12:40 PM
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09-15-2020 9:39 AM


god did not create me

god does not exist

That is the unstated creed that I speak with every breath. Thousands of times a day, just by breathing, I reaffirm this creed of reality.

Further, your god will not challenge me … will not oppose me.

He knows he is made from men’s minds and can be vanquished with a mere thought.

Your non-existent god cowers in my presence. I am man. I rule over your god and his heaven.


Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Message 2683 of 2686 (882214)
09-15-2020 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 2682 by AZPaul3
09-15-2020 12:40 PM


abiogenesis is impossible

you were created

you know that

you try to delude yourself

everyday.

but you're no better than the chair made by the woodworker

you're a created being

and that truth rings for eternity in your soul and your mind and echoes out of your every orifice

there is no getting around it

a chair did not just appear there. the woodworker made it.

matter cannot create itself. it doesn't have the intelligence to develop into life forms and humanoids.

you are a created being.

god laughs at your protest.

for in the deepest pockets of your soul

you know he fashioned you out of dust

u were made in the image of god

that's why you have a visage

with eyeballs that peer

and you were created unique

there is no other AZPaul3

but that is the definition of mental illness

the created being denies his creator

like pinocchio rebuking geppetto

but you are a chreated beaing

and you've cheated yourself out of authentic existence

but there's a sound that whispers in your ears when you drown your nature

you were created and you have launched a protest

but there is a whisper in the wind that says i love you'

i am god i created you

and you hear it slightly

you can believe anything you want.

but the serial number is written on your heart

you were created

just as everything else is a part of his creation.


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Message 2684 of 2686 (882219)
09-15-2020 2:46 PM
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09-15-2020 1:24 PM


Abiogenesis is on the path of life. We are complex chemistry in continuous motion and your denials will not alter that fact.

a chair did not just appear there. the woodworker made it.

Which means nothing in the reality of the universe. Nature, not god, made the woodworker as well as the tree from which he made the chair.

And the knowledge to make the chair from the tree is the product of human intellect and creativity, two additional qualities your non-existent god lacks.

You are an ape, an evolved monkey, once a rat born of a fish born of a worm.

All the evidence of history, all the evidence of planet Earth, attest to this fact. And all your catholic angst and want of suffering and all your appeals to majik and stupidity cannot alter the facts the universe presents us.

but there is a whisper in the wind that says i love you

George Carlin again?

there is no other AZPaul3

Oh, gawd, I sure as hell hope you're right. I couldn't take another one of me. Hell, I can barley tolerate the one that's here except he does have a most excellent beard.


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I am antifa.

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Message 2685 of 2686 (882255)
09-16-2020 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 2679 by Phat
09-05-2020 3:58 PM


Religion for the Non-Religious
Thanks Phat, I liked that link.

I think it does a really good job taking a large subject and explaining a lot of important aspects of it.

My one contention is the entire article (except for maybe a small part near the end?) seems to take on this whole: "This is really important to me... therefore something similar is really important to everyone!!" vibe... which I don't like.

Example:

quote:
Society at large focuses on shallow things, so it doesn’t stress the need to take real growth seriously.

Here he's implying that "real growth" is necessarily "religious/spiritual/mental/state-of-mind."
Although I agree that such growth is extremely important (and one of the most important things to me personally) - I would never call it "real growth" in the sense that it "must" apply to everyone.

People vary so much... to assume that anything applies to "everyone" is, well, missing the point of what he's talking about throughout most of his own article.

This is, also, just me being nit-picky.
Like I said - he does make some mention to this at the bottom in his entire "What Are You?" final section.
Here he talks about figuring it out for yourself and it could be anything at all - which is really good stuff.

But, then he falls back into the trap again with his last sentence of "I hope I’ve convinced you how important this is. Don’t wait until your deathbed to figure out what life is all about."

And seems to forget that it's entirely possible for someone to not think this is important at all, not need this to be important at all, and is perfectly happy (perhaps happier than him, even?) without considering it in the slightest.

Other than that - I like his ideas very much and really enjoyed reading over them - so thank-you.


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