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Percy
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Message 2971 of 3207 (896527)
08-12-2022 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2969 by Phat
08-12-2022 2:41 PM


Re: The Man In The Book
You are hopeless. I didn't ask what you'd put on the list. I asked what your criteria would be, since it can't be evidence since you yourself referred to them as unevidenced.
--Percy

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Dredge
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Message 2972 of 3207 (896539)
08-12-2022 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 2901 by AZPaul3
08-07-2022 5:38 PM


AZPaul3 writes:
if you can't prove your god, which I will modify as you have no evidence for your god, then how is no evidence different from doesn't exist?
I have evidence in the form of two miracles that I experienced, not to mention all the other forms of evidence.

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Dredge
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Message 2973 of 3207 (896540)
08-12-2022 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 2901 by AZPaul3
08-07-2022 5:38 PM


AZPaul3 writes:
Unlike Sagan's aliens, this absence of evidence, given the supposed actions of your gods, does equal evidence of absence.
"I think only an idiot can be an atheist."
Christian Anfinsen, winner of the 1972 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his work on ribonuclease.
Just like the tooth fairy, no evidence = no fairy. No evidence = no god.
A logical fallacy, I would say. No evidence doesn't mean there is no God.
Which law of the universe says humans must have evidence for God's existence in order for God to exist?
Does a monkey need evidence for the existence of the Large Hadron Collider in order for the the Large Hadron Collider to exist?

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Dredge
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Message 2974 of 3207 (896541)
08-12-2022 8:59 PM
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08-07-2022 5:55 PM


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Dredge
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Message 2975 of 3207 (896542)
08-12-2022 9:17 PM
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08-07-2022 7:11 PM


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Dredge
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Message 2976 of 3207 (896543)
08-12-2022 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 2904 by AZPaul3
08-07-2022 5:55 PM


AZPaul3 writes:
No one can possibly prove the ToE did not create the fossil record.
So you're claiming that ToE is not falsifiable?

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Dredge
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Message 2977 of 3207 (896544)
08-12-2022 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2909 by ringo
08-08-2022 12:54 PM


ringo writes:
Again, it isn't about proof.
I'm afraid it is about proof. The statement, "I know that God does not exist" carries with it the burden of proof.
If I declared, "I know that Santa Claus does not exist", I would then be expected to prove that Santa does not exist ... otherwise I would rightly be viewed as a bs-artist.
This thread is about weight of evidence.
If the statement, "I know God that does not exist", were a theory, the thread would then be about weight of evidence ... but that statement is not a theory - it is a claim to knowledge, which consequently carries the burden of proof.

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Dredge
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Message 2978 of 3207 (896545)
08-12-2022 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 2916 by Phat
08-09-2022 6:32 PM


Re: The Man In The Book
Phat writes:
So you are saying that its highly illogical and unbelievable that there is a higher power, Creator of all seen and unseen. And I am assuming that your "standard" of evidence excludes the personal experience and perspective of many others.
Well said, Phat. Atheists deny the personal experiences of believers simply because they don't want such experiences to exist .. just as they don't want God to exist.
I've personally experienced two miracles, but atheists dismiss them as lies or madness ... any lame excuse to deny evidence of God's existence.

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ringo
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Message 2979 of 3207 (896546)
08-12-2022 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 2967 by Phat
08-12-2022 2:26 PM


Re: Bridge Over Troubled Waters
Phat writes:
In the Gospel Of John, the text says that through Him all things were created.
Does it? We've been through the claim before that Jesus was around since the beginning. It doesn't hold any water.
Phat writes:
You first concluded that humans had many gods. You next concluded that you didn't need to follow ANY of them, including Jesus.
You're still evading the question: Why would I not feel obligated to go on a pilgramage to Mecca? Why do YOU not feel obligated to go on a pilgrimage to Mecca. Just answer the question. Don't try to be clever.
Phat writes:
Some day, some leader is going to say the things you all want to hear.
Like Trump tells YOU what you wamt to hear?
Phat writes:
About how the government need to take away all of the guns and all of the nukes.
Most of the countries on earth have already done that
Phat writes:
This leader will profess no religion.
Nonsense. This leader will profess Christianity, like Trump and Hitler and Napoleon. Nobody can be an antiChrist without being a fake Christian.
Phat writes:
This leader will likely be a loving humanist.
No. This leader will be a hatefilled asshole like Trump and all of the hatefilled assholes, like you, will support him.
Phat writes:
The ones who oppose will be religious authoritarians from the conservative side...
And you call yourself a "moderate", yet you set the religious authoritarians up on a pedestal.
Phat writes:
And one day this leader will walk into that new Temple that will be built in Israel and will go in to the holy of holies and say that we humans are the only important character in future progress.
You really don't know the first thing about your own antiChrist, do you?

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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Dredge
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Message 2980 of 3207 (896547)
08-12-2022 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 2919 by Tanypteryx
08-09-2022 8:51 PM


Re: The Man In The Book
Tanypteryx writes:
 If there were any higher powers that wanted us to know they exist, it would be easy to give us absolute evidence.
A higher power did let me know it exists with absolute evidence - I've experienced two miracles.
Phat writes:
Is your imagination limited by science?
ringo writes:
Of course not, it's informed by reality
And how would you define "reality"?
Wait, let me guess ... reality is defined by the parameters of science.

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ringo
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Message 2981 of 3207 (896548)
08-12-2022 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 2973 by Dredge
08-12-2022 8:54 PM


Dredge writes:
Does a monkey need evidence for the existence of the Large Hadron Collider in order for the the Large Hadron Collider to exist?
Whether he "needs" it or not, the evidence is there. Whether he sees it or not, the evidence is there.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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Dredge
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Message 2982 of 3207 (896549)
08-12-2022 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2932 by Percy
08-10-2022 8:43 AM


Re: The Man In The Book
Percy writes:
Wars and earthquakes and hurricanes and Down's syndrome and cancer and Alzheimers and MS and Parkinson's and ebola and Tom Cruise and on and on, and he wants you to worship him for this?
So there's nothing good in the world?

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ringo
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Message 2983 of 3207 (896550)
08-12-2022 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 2977 by Dredge
08-12-2022 9:42 PM


Dredge writes:
I'm afraid it is about proof. The statement, "I know that God does not exist" carries with it the burden of proof.
You can be as afraid as you like. Science is never about proof. Again, try to make your argument without using the word 'proof'.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 2984 of 3207 (896551)
08-12-2022 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 2978 by Dredge
08-12-2022 9:53 PM


Re: The Man In The Book
Dredge writes:
Atheists deny the personal experiences of believers simply because they don't want such experiences to exist .. just as they don't want God to exist.
Nonsense. I'd be tickled pink if there was a sky-daddy to fix all my problems for me. And I'd be even pinker if there was an afterlife where I could see all the people again whom I loved in this life.
Dredge writes:
I've personally experienced two miracles, but atheists dismiss them as lies or madness ...
That's your own fault because you're a habitual liar.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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Dredge
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Message 2985 of 3207 (896552)
08-12-2022 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2983 by ringo
08-12-2022 10:19 PM


ringo writes:
Science is never about proof.
Which part of "I know that God does not exist" is about science?
Science is never about proof.
Really? So science can't prove that Tiger Woods can hit a golf ball further than me?
Science can't prove that water boils at about 100^C under standard pressure at sea level?
Science can't prove that DNA produces mutations?
I think you meant to say, "A scientific theory is never about proof."

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