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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I figured you would be one of the first to complain. If you go and continue to listen to heretics such as Richard Carrier (who has no clue that Jesus is real and will continue to be a tool of satan) than you will be fully responsible for your own destiny.
If nothing else, my rants will continue to enrage many, but I will rest easy knowing that I did my job. Perhaps a secular psychiatrist can help my deluded and senile mind. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Of course I am. That's the only way to look at any Book. That's why the apologists and other hucksters get it wrong so often. They start with "the answers" and twist the Bible to fit them.
To be fair, however...you (ringo) are looking at the Bible from a critical thinking POV which mainstream apologetics and Christianity does not ascribe to. Phat writes:
If you could actually point out that what I say is nonsense, you might have something. Why can't you?
We can either conclude that they are willfully deceived and have an "agenda" (which is nothing more than telling the world that God has a plan and that Jesus is alive) or we can listen to your unenlightened common sense nonsense. Phat writes:
You can emulate Trump and claim I have it wrong or you could actually show that my evidence is "trumped up". Why don't you do that?
You can call me WRONG and have trumped up evidence to back the accusation up... Phat writes:
You can shove that nonsense. Until it actually happens, that story is no better than Goldilocks and the Three Bears. ... but once the reality manifests on this planet...Izquierdo.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Seriously, are you not embarrassed to post drivel like that? You should be.
If you go and continue to listen to heretics such as Richard Carrier (who has no clue that Jesus is real and will continue to be a tool of satan).... Phat writes:
If you think that's your job, you're as deluded as Faith. If nothing else, my rants will continue to enrage many, but I will rest easy knowing that I did my job.Izquierdo.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: OK, you have me there. You are usually quite sensible and evidence-based. I can't rightfully attack you simply for being a skeptic. All I am suggesting is that there is, in my opinion, something to what the apologists say and have preached for many years. Perhaps one reason why all of this is so confusing is that we are in fact in a spiritual war and the bad guys don't want everyone finding out the truth.
If you could actually point out that what I say is nonsense, you might have something. Why can't you?ringo writes: For the record, I am a political moderate. I have no fond feelings for Donald Trump. At best, I think that God may have allowed him to become president only because the people voted that way and also because God allowed "bad kings" to be in power to achieve His overarching purpose in History. To be honest, I think that our economy is due for another major correction (similar to 2007) which will occur within 3-5 years. It may well be that this event will trigger some major cultural and sociological societal shifts. The nutters will be vindicated...but the world will soon tire of the nutters and seek to abolish all religious expression in favor of secular logic, reason, and reality to finally sanely prevail. Which would ordinarily be a good thing...unless the spiritual war is in fact real. You can emulate Trump and claim I have it wrong or you could actually show that my evidence is "trumped up". Why don't you do that? "... but once the reality manifests on this planet..."
ringo writes: I'm actually glad that one of us is thinking logically (despite being skeptical). I'm glad that you are a contrarian and a skeptic, ringo. It is what makes you who you are. Keep on keepin on... You can shove that nonsense. Until it actually happens, that story is no better than Goldilocks and the Three Bears.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: Why? Richard Carrier is in fact mentioned indirectly in scripture.
Seriously, are you not embarrassed to post drivel like that? You should be. 1 John 2:18-27 writes:
Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. 20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also. 24 Let Truth Abide in You Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that He has promised us -- eternal life. 26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. 27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.NKJV Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Then roll it out, for God's sake. If there's any sense to it at all, you should be able to defend it.
All I am suggesting is that there is, in my opinion, something to what the apologists say and have preached for many years. Phat writes:
The reason it's confusing is because the whole belief system is nonsense.
Perhaps one reason why all of this is so confusing is that we are in fact in a spiritual war and the bad guys don't want everyone finding out the truth. Phat writes:
You've been talking just like him lately.
I have no fond feelings for Donald Trump. Phat writes:
You'd be better off leaving God out of your thinking once in a while. "God moves in mysterious ways" can be used as an excuse for anything. Next thing we know, you'll be herding Jews into concentration camps because "God allowed it to happen".
At best, I think that God may have allowed him to become president... Phat writes:
Please just stop with the stupid "prophecies". It may well be that this event will trigger some major cultural and sociological societal shifts. The nutters will be vindicated...but the world will soon tire of the nutters and seek to abolish all religious expression....Izquierdo.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: The problem there is that the apologists are usually the “bad guys” - they don’t want anyone to find the truth.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
John 22 makes an unsubstantiated claim. It's basically saying that anybody who doesn't agree with John is a liar. That sounds just like Faith. Why? Richard Carrier is in fact mentioned indirectly in scripture.Izquierdo.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
There is no evidence for the Jesus Christ of the bible. He never existed. You have had plenty of chances to provide actual verifiable evidence with corroboration but you never have. No one ever has. Because there is no evidence, just faith.
Am I the anti-Christ too? Screw you. The inability of certain christians to deal with people that do not believe as they do should surprise me. It never does. A lot seem to be judgmental hypocrites. Phat, you fit the mold. You claim to be a moderate. You are not. You are fundie. It is a small step from calling people names, to completely dehumanizing them and calling for their heads.
who has no clue that Jesus is real and will continue to be a tool of satan
Both are mythological creatures.
than you will be fully responsible for your own destiny.
As we all are.
If nothing else, my rants will continue to enrage many, but I will rest easy knowing that I did my job.
You have no business being a moderator. Your biases and need to be judgmental shine through.Take your preaching to a religious site. Some place where people want to here about your fantasies. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Take your preaching to a religious site. Some place where people want to here about your fantasies.
Better yet, simply ignore my posts. Its a bit like changing the channel on TV rather than legislating what people can watch. I could as esily tell you to take your opinions and beliefs to a secular humanist or atheist site, such as Internet Infidels. Until Percy says otherwise, EvC represents two (or more) diametrically opposed world views. And for the record, I still respect you, Theodoric...though more and more realize why I don't like you. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
See Rule 4:
I could as esily tell you to take your opinions and beliefs to a secular humanist or atheist site, such as Internet Infidels.quote:Saying, "I believe..." is not supporting with evidence and reasoned argumentation. Izquierdo.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
But we are not acting the same way. This is in the science forums. I believe does not cut it. All you have is protestations of your beliefs and judgement. No facts, no data, no argument.
I used to respect you. Then you became a fundie full of vitriol and judgment. I could ignore you but it doesn't work that way. Back your assertions with data or retract them. Attacking people because they do not share your beliefs is not debate, it is not acceptable. This forum is not for preaching. I am quite sure Percy does not want or expect people to preach on this site. If he does so be it, but since you have decided to be a preacher and attack "heretics" the quality of your posts has nose dived and you have become a caricature of yourself.I miss the old Phat. He was a nice guy. But alas he no longer exists. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
while I will agree that I have no evidence, I would argue that I DO have reasoned argumentation.
And for the record, reasoned argumentation can involve both belief and science. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
This is in the faith & belief forums and serves also as part of my argument here.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
Dredge writes: Er, yes, you do. You can theorise until the cows come home, but until you die, you don't know that God doesn't exist. Do you see any issues with the theorizing? Or are you going to avoid an actual discussion again?
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