I Know That God Does Not Exist

As I said, lucky you, but as I also said it's not an either/or. You insist on your wrong understanding of religion.

That has nothing to do with what I said.I said that EITHER you can have your "few are chosen" doctrine AND have millions suffer in Hell - OR you can have your benevolent God giving people chance after chance after chance until they believe. You can NOT have both.

What I said was, "... unless you're arguing that most will never believe, you're on a completely different page." Are you arguing that most will never believe?

You're right. I misconstrued what the discussion was about.

This is a very poor argument. We know nothing at all about the properties of God - as opposed to matter, which we can observed, measured and described by physical laws. So to try and compare the two is rather pointless, I’d say ... a bit like comparing “dark matter” to a bicycle. Furthermore, what we know of matter is that it has no life, mind, teleological properties or creative powers.Can you name a machine (biological or non-biological) that has been observed to build itself?Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

I know you didn't write it - that's why I put quotation marks around it. I should have made it clearer that it wasn't your quote - sorry.

If God knew everything he would get very bored, I should think.

Since you say your god, unlike matter, cannot be "observed, measured and described by physical laws" there is really nothing to discuss about your god: either it does not exist or it does exist but we have no way of knowing that it exists, which is the same for our purposes here.Not sure what you mean by "build itself" or how it is relevant here. All life builds copies (or new versions) of itself, but that is, presumably, not quite the same thing.Let me try to explain the inconsistency of your views.When you are confronted by the notion that after the formation of the Earth chemical processes, powered by a great deal of energy, either solar or volcanic, eventually developed life, which eventually developed into creatures with self-awareness and intelligence, you say that this couldn't happen unless there was some intelligent agency interfering with the natural world.That is, you claim that before intelligence can exist, there must be some intelligent agency in existence!

I thought the god of the christians was omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent?

Only some. It seems like Dredge's favourite Gods are not omniscient.

So, your favourite Spooks are not omniscient?

I thought it was Larry, Curly and Mo.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Oh, I understand religion quite well. Not only have I seen the result of religion's butchery of the human body and of the human spirit I have you and Dredge and Mike-takes-a-Wiz and so many others to remind me of its evil and stupidity.

What's an "alter boy"?

The bottom line there is no empirical evidence for this atheist fantasy. No one has ever observed evolution generating complexity.