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Author Topic:   Down To The Wire 2012 >>POLITICS<<
Dr Adequate
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Message 17 of 143 (676038)
10-18-2012 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by onifre
10-18-2012 12:45 PM


Re: Apathy?
We can surely say changes have been made in America, but they have ALWAYS started at the state level then eventually influenced the president. Civil rights, womens lib, gay marrigae, legalized medicinal marijuana, gun control, have all been state issues before any predient has taking it to task to try and fix things.
Even admitting your premise, it's not the case that the choice of President is immaterial. Because how he decides to fix these things raised at state level depends on who s/he is or what he thinks.
Gay marriage was first raised at state level? Sure. Now think about how. Some states have made it legal, some states haven't, and some states have changed their constitutions to say that it should never be legal. And then some politicians on the national stage have come out in favor of it, and some against it. Obama is in favor of it, Romney is against it, and some of the Republicans in the primaries would have supported a constitutional amendment taking that power away from the states.
It's not unimportant what the President thinks. He has the power of veto. If someone want to (literally) make a federal case out of some issue, then the President can stop them from doing it, if they don't have the votes to over-ride.

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Message 27 of 143 (676125)
10-19-2012 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Phat
10-18-2012 11:41 AM


Re: Electoral Votes
Why did they adapt that whole Electoral Vote thing anyway? Is it a superior system over a popular vote?
The original idea was that the electoral college should get together, debate, use their judgement and take a vote, with the general population electing the actual electorate (so to speak).
This might have been interesting, but it never happened. For one thing, the public didn't ever want someone who promised to use his best judgement after the election, but rather someone who would commit to a party and a candidate before the election; hence the members of the electoral college were always treated as markers for keeping score.
Hence the electoral college is rather unusual, not because it is a historical relic, which is common, but because it's a relic of something that never actually happened; a vestigial organ, as it were, without an original function.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 57 of 143 (676699)
10-24-2012 6:57 PM


Looking at the polls, it seems quite probable that Obama will win the electoral college vote by a landslide and also lose the popular vote.
What would be your opinions under those circumstances?

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Message 92 of 143 (676949)
10-26-2012 2:07 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by xongsmith
10-25-2012 4:08 PM


Re: A House Divided
- I think you meant Venn diagrams?
Probably he did, but I think I like his way better.

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Message 133 of 143 (677942)
11-03-2012 2:51 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by ooh-child
11-03-2012 1:17 AM


Re: Time for predictions!
Conservatives run amok & heads explode while trying to appear in control.
The noises from the right will go something like this: "For the second time in a row, the public has freely chosen a candidate who we keep describing as a "socialist", a "Marxist" and "the most liberal President in American history". To lure them back, obviously what we need is a candidate to the right of Genghis Khan, as that's clearly the sort of thing that appeals to them. Bachmann/Clone-Of-Hitler 2016!"

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Message 137 of 143 (677954)
11-03-2012 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Percy
11-03-2012 7:55 AM


Re: Time for predictions!
Godwin strikes again.
Hitler and Clone-Of-Hitler are two different people. Clone-Of-Hitler has a much better mustache. That's the effect of nurture, y'see.

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