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Message 13 of 171 (676313)
10-21-2012 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by eclectic1993
10-21-2012 5:04 PM


My evolutionist friend at work has an interesting way of dealing with life spawning from inorganic matter. He explains that it is outside the purview of evolutionary science. He stated that was a matter for a chemist to work out. He is able to embrace evolutionary theory and "ignore origins of life", and is quite happy

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So, IMHO, evolutionists generally accept that life originated 'somehow' and that cells can replicate into more complex bits 'somehow'.

First of all, welcome!

Second, I think you will create problems if you continue to use the word "evolutionists." It makes it seem as if you are trying to make a distinction between scientists and people who understand the scientific evidence that supports the ToE.

Third, I think, if you inquire further, you will find that scientists absolutely do not accept on faith that life originated "somehow." In fact, if you look at the thread Miller and Urey Experiment: What has changed?, there is some discussion of recent investigation into how life began. Scientists do not accept it on faith but continue to investigate to try to find answers. If in fact their investigation reveals evidence that shows their initial ideas are wrong, they will change their ideas to conform with the evidence.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 81 of 171 (677188)
10-27-2012 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-27-2012 1:36 PM


Space and time as such have no physical properties whatsoever.

How do you explain the phenomenon referred to as gravitational lensing without resorting to relativistic curvature of space?


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 84 of 171 (677211)
10-27-2012 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-27-2012 8:20 PM


What causes the light's path to curve, if not curvature in space?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 87 of 171 (677235)
10-28-2012 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-28-2012 2:09 AM


Re: Curvy motions
Sorry, we don't debate by link here. Make the argument yourself or don't bother.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 90 of 171 (677271)
10-28-2012 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-28-2012 7:38 PM


Re: Curvy motions
I asked one simple question. How do you explain the phenomenon of gravitational lensing? Refrain from your usual diarrhea of the mouth, if you can, and answer that one question.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 112 of 171 (677345)
10-29-2012 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by foreveryoung
10-29-2012 1:28 AM


I'll ask you the same question I asked Alfred, that he doesn't seem to be able to answer.

How do you explain the phenomenon of gravitational lensing?


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 120 of 171 (677554)
10-30-2012 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by foreveryoung
10-30-2012 2:58 PM


Please answer my question about gravitational lensing.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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