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Panda
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Message 46 of 171 (676732)
10-25-2012 5:26 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-25-2012 5:15 AM


Mad writes:

Try Brig Klyce


Yes.
When wanting to know about astrobiology, it is always best to learn from an architect who runs a laundrette.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 47 of 171 (676733)
10-25-2012 5:54 AM
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10-25-2012 4:47 AM


Re: Maddenstein
You cannot be helped until you admit that you have a problem.

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Message 48 of 171 (676734)
10-25-2012 5:55 AM
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10-25-2012 5:15 AM


You cannot be helped until you admit that you have a problem.

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Message 49 of 171 (676735)
10-25-2012 6:01 AM
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10-25-2012 5:26 AM


It's better than learning astrobiology from Panda's Thumby The Dogmatist. He is an amateur and that means he spent twenty years studying it for love. You may have a paid position and a diploma so are doing it for the belly and out of peer pressure. Vast difference.

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Message 50 of 171 (676737)
10-25-2012 6:05 AM
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10-25-2012 6:01 AM


You cannot be helped until you admit that you have a problem.

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Message 51 of 171 (676738)
10-25-2012 6:28 AM
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10-24-2012 3:54 PM


Re: engage with people who are not actually insane.
Now, Doc, please stop muddying the water and pulling wool over everybody's eyes. Do I profess that my belief all Rastafarians are after me or anything of the sort is a fact of nature? Not at all. You and your buddies, on the other hand, do profess that your faith that all the atoms currently in existence were once concentrated in the volume of a pea is an undeniable fact of nature confirmed by science. When confronted with scepticism towards the preposterous belief you and your mates shout that the doubters must provide evidence you lot are not deluded. Who is unreasonable, Doc?

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Message 52 of 171 (676739)
10-25-2012 6:57 AM
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10-25-2012 6:28 AM


Re: engage with people who are not actually insane.
Now, Doc, please stop muddying the water and pulling wool over everybody's eyes. Do I profess that my belief all Rastafarians are after me or anything of the sort is a fact of nature? Not at all.

No, you did not. On the other hand, you frequently refer to yourself in the third person and claim to be a cat, and these are minor personal eccentricities as compared to the fact that you wrote: "Strictly speaking infinitely many is zero".

You cannot be helped until you admit that you have a problem.


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Message 53 of 171 (676740)
10-25-2012 7:22 AM
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10-25-2012 6:01 AM


Mad writes:

It's better than learning astrobiology from Panda's Thumby The Dogmatist. He is an amateur and that means he spent twenty years studying it for love. You may have a paid position and a diploma so are doing it for the belly and out of peer pressure. Vast difference.


Show your posts to a friend/relative - ask them what they think.

You cannot be helped until you admit that you have a problem.


"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 54 of 171 (676751)
10-25-2012 8:19 AM
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10-25-2012 6:57 AM


Re: engage with people who are not actually insane.
Well, yes, infinitely many means nothing much, zilch. It is an oxymoron. Any number is finite. Many implies a number. A number is given only after one has counted and has finished counting. Infinite does not mean that, it does not qualify as a number so the combination of words is sloppy language. If that is currently considered the height of mathematical wisdom is irrelevant. Cantor and Hilbert made this kind of abuse of language accepted and as a result a lot of nonsense based on multiplying and dividing by zero is accepted too. Such as big bunks, black holes and the rest of singularities, dark matters, energies, etc. The whole lot of ghosts populating the multiverse of popphyz.

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Message 55 of 171 (676752)
10-25-2012 8:34 AM
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10-25-2012 7:22 AM


Your insinuations miss the point. You imagine I must have friends and relatives who think like yourself so upon reading what I write here are bound to decide that my mocking your dogma and second-hand opinions on physics is a sign of madness and will let me know that in no uncertain terms. Your assumptions are unwarranted. Why would I need boring friends like that? No reason.

Edited by Alfred Maddenstein, : No reason given.


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Message 56 of 171 (676753)
10-25-2012 8:35 AM
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10-25-2012 8:19 AM


Re: engage with people who are not actually insane.
Mad writes:

Many implies a number.


You cannot be helped until you admit that you have a problem.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 57 of 171 (676755)
10-25-2012 8:36 AM
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10-25-2012 8:34 AM


Mad writes:

You imagine I must have friends and relatives who think like yourself so upon reading what I write here are bound to decide that my mocking your dogma and second-hand opinions on physics is a sign of madness, so will let me know that in no uncertain terms. Your assumptions are unwarranted. Why would I need boring friends like that? No reason.


Show your posts to a friend/relative - ask them what they think.

You cannot be helped until you admit that you have a problem.


"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 58 of 171 (676756)
10-25-2012 8:41 AM
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10-25-2012 8:35 AM


Re: engage with people who are not actually insane.
Well, yes. Many implies a great quantity. Quantity implies a finite number. Infinite contradicts that. Do you have a problem with that?

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Message 59 of 171 (676760)
10-25-2012 8:47 AM
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10-25-2012 8:41 AM


Re: engage with people who are not actually insane.
Mad writes:

Quantity implies a finite number.


No.

Show your posts to a friend/relative - ask them what they think.
You cannot be helped until you admit that you have a problem.


"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 60 of 171 (676761)
10-25-2012 8:51 AM
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10-25-2012 8:36 AM


You have a problem being obstinately boring. Otherwise, madness is other people's problem, not any problem of the mad. It inconveniences other people first of all like any bad or criminal behaviour. The mad and bad are likely to be happy to be just like they are. So you should have written - show what your write to your relatives and friends as I hope they may have problems with it.
Actually that goes for the boring too. Only the bored have problems with boredom, the boring are happy to bore.

Edited by Alfred Maddenstein, : No reason given.


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