Morality without god

Not really a good example. Knights Code of ChivalryThe assumption is that the first two would not have helped if they had just happened by. Now if they wouldn't help unless they benefited, that makes a difference.A fireman is paid to deal with fires and rescue. He can't deal with a fire he doesn't know about. If he happens upon a fire, I'm pretty sure he would deal with it. Is he not showing good morals when he's paid to fight the fire?Not really cut and dried. Too many ifs.I'd say all three with just the info you supplied.Edited by purpledawn, : No reason given.

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Dude it's an allegorical story - u can't seriously be that anal, I am merely suggesting that to cite ones motivation for good and proper deeds is either reward or fear is not true morality and may in fact remove opertunities for truely good and morally upright behaviour.

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Well.. Dude, it doesn't come across as an allegorical story.You presented a thought experiment according to your subtitle and presented a question at the end. No other explanation in the post.All three knights did good and rescued the princesses. The motivation doesn't make the outcome less good. Morality isn't all about thought and yes I did read the definition you provided. A little lean. Looking at various dictionaries it does come down to behavior.Your hypotheticals don't really make a case that good and proper deeds motivated by fear or reward are not right deeds or that these influences may remove opportunities for self motivated good behavior. It may even help. It all depends on the person.If I have misunderstood your position, I apologize. I'm having difficulty following your prose.

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My premise : People, both culturally and individually decide what is more, no supernatural agent is required - further more rules do no equate to morals and a deed preformed under duress etc is lessened morally if not entirely devoid of moral value. ...
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Rules do not equal Morals, although many rules are derived from the morals that we have developed together within our own cultures as highly evolved social animals

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Better. You aren't making a case for your premise though. The theistic arguments you present are irrelevant to your argument and the hypothetical is still useless.What evidence do you have that rules do not equate to morals, especially if they are based on morals?What rules are you talking about? I've been talking about what is considered right behavior, not necessarily a legal system.What evidence do you have that a deed performed under duress is devoid of moral value?There is moral and there is morality.Then you add moral worth.You seem to be taking a Kantian approach to moral worth. How many morally worthy acts does it take for one to be considered a moral person? Does one wrong action break the deal?IMO, deeming an act as morally worthy is an attempt to keep score. But for what purpose? The Universal Moral CodeHow To Determine Moral Principles Without Religion

So not much for providing supporting evidence for your premise. Good to know. Just useless hypotheticals.

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Specifics of morality aside the topic in question is "Morality without God" - that last example was more geared toward that argument -
If god decreed an (another) immoral act moral would that make it so, rape being used a athe case in point

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If the thread is about Morality without God, why ask about God?The premise you presented has nothing to do with God.Sorry you didn't actually want to debate.

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Also Faith it is a hypothetical question, if adult conversation is too tricky I understand - all u have to do is let's us know if u can't handle hypotheticals and other complex mental models and I'm sure everyone will understand.

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Bad hypotheticals don't make an adult conversation and not responding to a post does not mean one can't handle the issue.
You didn't respond to my questions in Message 940 or Message 943.This thread is Morality without God, but I see more discussion about God than the issue of morality without God.Since you claim to be a beginner at debating, I suggest you refrain from taunting others.Edited by purpledawn, : Rearranged