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onifre
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Message 86 of 1221 (677956)
11-03-2012 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Dawn Bertot
11-02-2012 5:07 PM


God and War
If matter in motion or survival of the fittest is the answer, then by all rights I should be trying to overthrow or kill you and take everything you have.
Isn't that the goal of fundamentalist Muslims? Seems like they're trying to do just that in the name of God. I've never heard of or read about an army of atheist trying to overthrow a government or kill you and take everything you have. But if you read your Bible, God command his followers to do just that.
Seems like politics AND religion usually push people to overthrow and kill and take from others.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 169 of 1221 (679616)
11-14-2012 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Dawn Bertot
11-07-2012 5:21 PM


Re: God and War
Unfortunately, emotional responses to logical propositions, dont get anything accomplished. What people do in the name og God, has nothing to do with weather he is infinte in wisdom and eternal in character. If he is, then there is no other standard and he is the standard
Well that's a really big IF though isn't it? I mean, God commands those who worship him to commit acts of genocide on other humans. To rape and murder after war. You say it's right to do that because IF he is infinite in wisdom and eternal in character (don't really know what that means by the way) there is no other standard -- He is the standard? Have I understood your position here correctly?
God does command people do commit terrible acts, right? Are you saying those things are ok to do because God has infinite wisdom?
If that IS what you're saying then: Again, that's one BIG if. Because IF you're wrong, and your particular God and scriptures are no more "truth" than any other written in the past, then you've just commited an act of genocide and rape for absolutely no reason. And IF the only thing you are using to "know" if you're right or wrong is your own presonal belief and applying nothing more than blind faith, well sir you've really messed things up pretty bad don't you think?
It seems therefore logical, that there are no other choices that logic will allow. Unless you or others could provide valid reason to show why humans standards are the only correct choices. Or why they should be considered the standard of right or wrong
Well no matter what you call it, or what you claim the source to be, it is still a human standard be it secular or wrapped up in religious scripture written by men.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 795 of 1221 (693750)
03-19-2013 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 785 by Faith
03-19-2013 6:18 PM


Re: slavery
we are not discussing criminal kidnapping but culturally sanctioned slavery
Euphemisms are great aren't they?
- Oni

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