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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I am suggesting that a reckoning up of benefits is exactly what a conscience is. So what benefit did Dr. A reckon up when he returned money to the shopkeeper? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
He satisfied his sense of fairness. If he didn't suffer from that sense then he would have kept the money and satisfied his sense of profit. I think this argument is flawed. In either case, Dr. Adequate would have satisfied one sense and frustrated another sense. Surely you are not suggesting that Dr A had/has no profit sense. So sense satisfying cannot be the sole explanation for which action Dr. A took.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
quote: I enjoy a lot of Heinlein's work, but his books are full of crap philosphy of which this is one example. I imagine that Africans shackled in the bottom of a ship on their way to a place from which they could never return home would have felt obliged to kill themselves or allow themselves to be killed if only they could have had available an advanced copy of Double Star from which to read this pearl of wisdom. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Weren't they already slaves before the ships got there? They'd've needed the book back at "home"... How does that make your Heinlein quote any less ridiculous? It turns out that you can actually enslave free people by force. We have plenty of historical evidence for that. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
It doesn't, I was just nitpicking your criticism. You said they'd need the book on the boat, but really they'd have needed it before then. I let that challenge go because I wanted to point out that it didn't matter. But in fact many of the Africans sold by other Africans were not in fact slaves, but POWs, kidnap victims, and other captives. I don't think it's possible to make the case that their purchasers weren't involved in their enslavement.
That is, if someone frees some slaves then they're not really going to be "free". That don't make much sense to me, but I was never that good with profundity. It does not make sense. In fact it is stupid or worse.
Well if you enslave them then they're not free, what it seems to be saying is the one's who refuse to not be free will end up choosing to be killed. That is, the people who allowed themselves to be enslaved weren't willing to die for their freedom, and, I suppose, they weren't really "free". You cannot actually gain any freedom by dying.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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I came to answer a particular post, and the topic of that post has continued so I continue while it continues. It was quite clear already. Why are you making excuses for posting here? We all know that even when you don't post that you are lurking here and dropping red bread crumbs to mark your passage. In fact how would you even know about the post if you weren't here?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Not that you care of course since you'd prefer just to add your snark to the rest of it. My question was meant to be serious. If you need to apologize for being here, then why are you even here? Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
All true Christians agree that the Bible is the word of God and though there might be some minor variances in interpretation, they all agree on the main and plain things But Christians don't all mean the same thing by 'the word of God'. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Romans 9:17 is even more explicit about this than those verses in Exodus:
quote: If you do a search for this topic, you'll find that Christians do find Romans 9:17 and the Exodus verses to be problematic. People who advocate that God did not harden Pharoah's heart invariably suggest that the language is only figurative. But there simply isn't any room to take the Bertot approach of saying that the a literal reading of the text, particularly the text of Romans does not involve God in the hardening of Pharoah's heart. Some example interpretations: Theory 1: For God's Glory. Why did God harden Pharaoh's heart? - ChristianAnswers.Net
quote: Theory 2: Use of non-literal expressions. Who Hardened Pharaoh's Heart? - Apologetics Press
quote: Some people back this up by noting that Samuel 6:6 places the blame squarely on Pharoah I Samuel 6:6
quote: Theory 3: The Pharaoh was evil and was justly used and punished: Why did God harden Pharaoh’s heart? | GotQuestions.org
quote: Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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