Alpha-Omega universes in free fall

The point is that ancient cosmogonies make much more pleasant read and better sense. Give me Zeus, Pandora's box, Pluto and Neptune any day and keep your black holes if you love them so much.
Human fantasy degenerated a lot, if you ask the feline.

How do you mean? You'd prefer to believe in dragons but duty calls you to be loyal to black holes? Don't worry. It's all literature anyway. Go ahead. Indulge yourself in some dragons too.

Ok, but I don't quite get what you mean, Larn, about causality. Do you reckon causality is selective or what? Some effects have causes but other don't? And you'd love them all to have causes? Don't like the situation but have to put up with it because your scientific method tells you to grin and bear?
What kind of scientific method you've got, Larn, to infer all that?

You contradict yourself, Nuke. You claim no edge in one sentence but in the other you state "based on the time since the Universe started". To be able to start implies finite limits, borders, edges, etc, necessarily. Only a finite object with borders and surface can start. A car can start as it is such an object. Do you claim the Universe is such an object? To start as the Universe implies to initiate all motion of all objects in existence all at once. That is logically impossible and is right against the first law of thermodynamics. Impossible and irrational proposition. The motion is being conserved only by that law, not ever started, finished, destroyed or created.Edited by Alfred Maddenstein, : No reason given.

The further away, younger the stars is a failed prediction only. Mature galaxies with metal rich decrepit stars are being observed in droves eight, ten billion light years away from here.
More of them will be found there when the next generation of telescopes arrives. The older ones are just dimmer and not less present at all.