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ProtoTypical
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Message 91 of 103 (679283)
11-13-2012 7:51 AM


Response to Faith
In Message 40
Faith writes:

What a bunch of bullies! Wow! Leave the guy alone. If his behavior is beyond what is acceptable here, then ban him for pete's sake, but this kind of ganging up on the guy is indefensible.

Nobody is bullying FEY. If the guy is incapable of dealing with differing opinions then he has no place on a discussion forum.

If I say something stupid then I fully expect to be corrected. While it is a little uncomfortable to have my ignorance exposed (on the very rare occasion ) it is far less uncomfortable than walking around with a head full of shit. Why else would someone come here if not to honestly examine their own beliefs?


  
Panda
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Message 92 of 103 (679284)
11-13-2012 7:52 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by ProtoTypical
11-13-2012 7:23 AM


Re: Childish
Dogmafood writes:

I was thinking about doing the same thing but then that takes away from the validity of my cheers as an expression of my opinion regarding the post in question.

As a bonus, if my rating falls low enough then some of the creationists might get the impression that I have said something that they might actually want to read.

Also, a jeer seems to carry more weight than a cheer and so it doesn't entirely counter his flailing around. I appreciate the sentiment but it seems to be stooping to his level and depreciates the value of a valid cheer.


I agree with you.
I will remove my 'cheers'.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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ProtoTypical
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Message 93 of 103 (679286)
11-13-2012 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Panda
11-13-2012 7:52 AM


Re: Childish
Hey FEY did you see what happened there? A guy changed his mind and didn't lose one iota of integrity.

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nwr
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Message 94 of 103 (679289)
11-13-2012 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by ProtoTypical
11-13-2012 12:27 AM


Dogmafood writes:
His jeers to me in the Where is the point? thread might mean a little more if I thought that he had actually read and comprehended whats been said.

With his spate of overnight jeers, inflation has set in. By now jeers from foreveryoung have become pretty much worthless.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 95 of 103 (679421)
11-13-2012 8:23 PM


Forevers recent comments have disqualified him from even being considered as a potentially rational person. His behavior is completely trollish and should be treated as such. I think we are not very far from him returning to the threatening behaviour he exhibited before that got him previously banned.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


  
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Message 96 of 103 (679439)
11-13-2012 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by nwr
11-13-2012 8:24 AM


nwr writes:

With his spate of overnight jeers, inflation has set in. By now jeers from foreveryoung have become pretty much worthless.

...but imagine if each cheer/jeer was multiplied by the Member Rating! YOW. Talk about Pinched Plasma. Unstable metrics for Percy!


- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Omnivorous
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Message 97 of 103 (679458)
11-13-2012 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by nwr
11-13-2012 8:24 AM


Agree/Disagree
Don't like jeers.

Never did--seems at least faintly embarrassing for grownups to be tossing jeers around like cooties.

Wouldn't Agree/Disagree be better? More accurate, more mature, more in tune with the spirit of this forum, I'd think; and maybe total Agrees and Disagrees rather than "rank" members with a score.

Almost anything else would be better. The current system is hurtful and divisive.

It's cheers or nothing for me. Savvy?


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 98 of 103 (679461)
11-13-2012 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Omnivorous
11-13-2012 10:32 PM


Re: Agree/Disagree
Omnivorous writes:
Wouldn't Agree/Disagree be better?

I just use what we have. I'm not hung up on particular names.

I agree with many posts that I don't cheer, and I disagree with many posts that I don't jeer. I think we want these indicators to mean a bit more than routine agreement/disagreement.

I do like the way that they are displayed. And I do like the ability to take them back if we reconsider and change our minds.


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Panda
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Message 99 of 103 (679509)
11-14-2012 6:15 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by Omnivorous
11-13-2012 10:32 PM


Re: Agree/Disagree
Omni writes:

Wouldn't Agree/Disagree be better?


Percy originally has it as 'agree/disagree' but they got used as if they were 'cheers/jeers', so he changed the wording to more accurately reflect how they were used.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Omnivorous
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Message 100 of 103 (679512)
11-14-2012 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Panda
11-14-2012 6:15 AM


Re: Agree/Disagree
Thanks, Panda.

Names matter.

I'm unsure how "Disagree" could be used as a textual brickbat like "Jeers", especially since even a cursory glance at our posts suggests jeering is not contained by the Cheers/Jeers buttons. I suspect the history of usage here is little comfort to a newcomer who finds herself confronted by a dozen jeers.

A jeer is a jeer. Despite the historicity, I'm at a loss to understand why a forum for serious discussion wants to encourage jeering: most of our moderation efforts are directed at containing that counterproductive activity.

Part of civility is saying "I disagree" when what you are thinking is "You stupid ass."

Civility and courtesy create a better experience for all, and, I think, a superior outcome for discussion.

But I don't expect any changes, so I'll just stick with my cheers-only policy.

Cheers, mate!


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Panda
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Message 101 of 103 (679513)
11-14-2012 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Omnivorous
11-14-2012 8:13 AM


Re: Agree/Disagree
Omni writes:

I'm unsure how "Disagree" could be used as a textual brickbat like "Jeers", especially since even a cursory glance at our posts suggests jeering is not contained by the Cheers/Jeers buttons.


I suspect that it has more to do with the colour of the buttons.
I wonder if changing it to "agree=blue" and "disagree=yellow" would make a difference?

Omni writes:

A jeer is a jeer. Despite the historicity, I'm at a loss to understand why a forum for serious discussion wants to encourage jeering: most of our moderation efforts are directed at containing that counterproductive activity.


I feel similar in regard to facebook.
They have recently allowed members to 'dislike' (as opposed to 'like') facebook entries.
It is optional and I have not opted in.

Omni writes:

But I don't expect any changes, so I'll just stick with my cheers-only policy.


Percy has always been amenable to good suggestions.
Think of a good replacement system and run it past him.

I wonder what others think about an 'agree only' system?

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"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 102 of 103 (679749)
11-15-2012 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Panda
11-14-2012 8:54 AM


Re: Agree/Disagree
Panda writes:

I wonder what others think about an 'agree only' system?


I too have a "cheer only" policy. (Disclaimer: I think I did jeer foreveryoung once but if I could find the post, I'd take it back.) I don't just cheer what I agree with though. I might cheer a post because it's funny or just because it's expressed well, even if I disagree with the content.

If I do disagree with the content, I'll either explain why or I'll shut the fuck up. I consider an empty jeer to be cowardly.

I'd keep the jeer button for the same reason that peacekeeping troops carry weapons - as a demonstration that you can have weapons and not use them.


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Message 103 of 103 (679751)
11-15-2012 3:05 PM
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11-15-2012 2:56 PM


Re: Agree/Disagree
I cheer many post, but jeer few, I feel my jeers carry more weight.

I do often jeer stuff without responding, most the time I feel no explanation is needed, the post I jeered is explanation enough.


“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
― Isaac Asimov

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