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Message 706 of 786 (854085)
06-04-2019 4:28 PM


Is nobody promoting new threads any more? Is there nobody home?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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Message 707 of 786 (854534)
06-09-2019 8:22 PM


It's past time to take some more words away from you know who. Message 148 and Message 1233 have some good examples.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


  
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Message 708 of 786 (866608)
11-13-2019 3:59 AM


The thread on origins of white skin is in critical condition. Flagrant and willful disregard for the topic by all participants, including moderators.

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Message 709 of 786 (866609)
11-13-2019 7:30 AM
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11-13-2019 3:59 AM


Response To Personal Rant
If by moderators you mean me, I was participating only as a member. All I did was promote the new member in the hope that he would be welcomed rather than criticized right off the bat. I am beginning to agree with Theodoric's early assessment that the topic was answered and should be closed only because Ski seems to no longer be participating. Though I did rant and go off-topic, a fact I will readily admit, I would never go so far as to suspend a group of ideologues simply for dogpiling a conservative. If I did, that group would whine far louder than Faith ever does...about unfairness, and moderator responsibility and oppression and bias and unprofessionalism and all that schtick. The point of my rant, though it leaned personal, was that either side of the political spectrum can be capable of unforgiving attitudes. You cant simply hide behind science forever...it can only do so much for your case.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Message 710 of 786 (866614)
11-13-2019 8:01 AM
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11-13-2019 7:30 AM


Re: Response To Personal Rant
I think that the thread should either have never been started or retargeted on the valid questions. Ski’s pulpy fantasy was obviously silly and was bound to - and deserved to - get heavy criticism.

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Message 711 of 786 (866622)
11-13-2019 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 709 by Phat
11-13-2019 7:30 AM


Re: Response To Personal Rant
I would never go so far as to suspend a group of ideologues

Since when is pointing out actual scientific evidence a sign of ideologues? Your christian, rightwing persecution complex has severely hampered your ability to participate in and more so, moderate, threads.

The point of my rant, though it leaned personal, was that either side of the political spectrum can be capable of unforgiving attitudes.

Ypu are the one that turned it into a political thing. All the rest of us "ideologues" were discussing the science, or lack there of, of the OP.

You cant simply hide behind science forever...it can only do so much for your case.

You are incapable of letting the science speak for itself. You want to make everything about your belief in your god. You need to keep that in the faith forums or church. It does not belong in the science threads. If you can't do that you should voluntarily walk away from being a moderator, because you are not moderating you are proselytizing and preaching. No one wants that, not even Faith.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 712 of 786 (866874)
11-16-2019 7:41 PM


****** ********** ******
Message 135

Really? This is your site, Percy, but instead of being an asshole, just suspend her.

This is beneath you.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 713 of 786 (866890)
11-16-2019 9:31 PM
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11-16-2019 7:41 PM


Re: ****** ********** ****** (Phats 2 cents)
Actually I can see Percy's logic. Faith wants to be seen as the righteous one. She begs to be suspended because in her mind it would prove that EvC is a leftist totalitarian site. All that is happening, however, is that she is being asked to stop pigeonholing every argument into a Leftist Agenda Conspiracy, and she refuses to do so, getting ever more creative at finding new ways to bash in minds. We all are somewhat guilty of this at times, for our forum has become a small group of people who know each others habits and attitudes...sort of like a huge dysfunctional family. I do feel Faith is being singled out, but only as a test dummy. Percy is refining the software. She insists that Trump is a good authoritarian and supports Republican Authoritarianism for the good of the country yet balks at authoritarian censorship preventing hate speech at her own local watering hole. But as has been pointed out, we all can clearly see what she is saying if we so choose. Basically the default option--for her anyway--is to have lost the right to be heard. It is now a privilege for her viewers to hear her. It is no longer a right that they MUST do so.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Message 714 of 786 (866891)
11-16-2019 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 713 by Phat
11-16-2019 9:31 PM


Re: ****** ********** ****** (Phats 2 cents)
None of us have any right to participate on this platform. We are guests. But the rest of us get to express ourselves as we so chose (with small exceptions) except for this most egregious case with Faith.

We can handle it. We're all adults here. Words, even the most caustic (within the bounds of civil propriety as in not swearing every other word like kids) have power and when wielded like a scalpel can cut deeply. But this is political, not childish vulgarity for vulgarity sake.

This *is* Percy's house and he gets to control the tone. I just wish he was more tolerant with political expression. A lot of the rest of this community already stands to confront the crazy on this site with no uncertain zeal. We can handle Faith without the the heavy hand.

When things degenerate into constant personal insults you mods have ways of dealing. Calling liberals "Stalinists" or conservatives "alt-reich Nazis" are NOT personal insults but are political ones and well pointed at that. Everyone here can give as politically hard as we politically get. Suspensions are appropriate in harder cases but this ******* ********** **** **** is just childish and, IMHO, should be abandoned.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 715 of 786 (867005)
11-19-2019 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 714 by AZPaul3
11-16-2019 11:10 PM


Re: ****** ********** ****** (Phats 2 cents)
Just now noticed these posts.

First, as I posted in another thread, the "all asterisks" problem was a typo I made in Faith's disallowed word list. I've explained about regular expressions before, and because Faith tries to get around the disallowed words feature by misspelling words I have to use regular expressions. Accidentally enter a space before "\S*" and all hell breaks loose.

Second, each word in Faith's disallowed word list was added when it was directed in a derogatory fashion at someone personally (or sometimes at everyone at EvC) and was not an expression of political opinion. All political and religious views can be expressed here, although some years ago we did permanently suspend a couple determined racists.

I don't normally reveal anything about any private exchanges, including whether they occur, but I'm making an exception in this case because of Faith's lack of candor. She is being less than candid when she asserts that I'm censoring her conservative views. We've exchanged PMs and she knows that's not true. I've clearly explained how words are getting added to her list. For example, the base words "silly," "irrelevant," tendentious" and "insinuation" were added to her list because of this exchange in Message 107:

Faith writes:

Taq writes:

If the evidence pans out and Trump did in fact do what the Democrats have accused him of, will you give Trump a pass? Yes or no?

I'm not going to answer silly irrelevant tendentious questions. Insinuations? No thanks. We get enough of that in the Leftist media every day.

By base words I mean that all forms of a word are covered, for example not just "silly" but also "silliness," etc.


--Percy
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Message 716 of 786 (867008)
11-19-2019 6:12 AM
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Re: ****** ********** ****** (Phats 2 cents)
Second, each word in Faith's disallowed word list was added when it was directed in a derogatory fashion at someone personally (or sometimes at everyone at EvC) and was not an expression of political opinion

Including the word 'like'?


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Message 717 of 786 (867009)
11-19-2019 7:31 AM
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Re: ****** ********** ****** (Phats 2 cents)
Oh, be still my wordsmith’s pen.

What in this exchange with Taq do you find objectionable? This is a political discussion and politics are fraught with cutting emotion. I do not see egregious insult in this exchange. This is sharp expression in rejecting the question Taq was presenting. Not bad form either, being both back- and high-handed, but it is not to the level of egregious hatred that this community should reject. We have all seen when Faith goes off the deep end totally losing her ability to communicate in anything other than seething hostility. This example does not fit that pattern. Instead, what I see here is an oversensitivity to sharp expression. Word censure.

Now if she had called him a Trump-hating faggot liberal asshole who hates America and should leave or die then that might be cause for action … as in suspension not asterisks.

Censuring evil ideas and egregious repulsive conduct with suspension is one thing. Hobbling the expression of ideas with asterisks is a totally different thing.

You have built a wonderful and worthy house here, Percy, and I appreciate the invite to visit here, but, the asterisks are a major distraction in the décor and, imho, should be taken out back and burned.


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Message 718 of 786 (867013)
11-19-2019 9:16 AM
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11-19-2019 6:12 AM


Re: ****** ********** ****** (Phats 2 cents)
Including the word 'like'?

I don't think that was intentional. I'm thinking it is an inadvertent victim of the attempt to limit creative spelling of some banned words.

Unintended consequences that should be unacceptable.

Thank you for bringing that up, caffeine.


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Message 719 of 786 (867021)
11-19-2019 11:04 AM


The only problem I have with the "censorship" is that it isn't working. Faith is a habitual criminal who lied when she agreed to follow the rules. She has no intention of following the rules and she will stop at nothing to circumvent them.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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Message 720 of 786 (867026)
11-19-2019 11:26 AM
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11-19-2019 11:04 AM


Then suspension is a remedy. It works, eventually, when the suspensions become permanent. Not a happy prospect but, if necessary, such is an option.

But until then a couple days or weeks or months here and there when appropriate would be preferable to *********.

And lest we forget, we're not talking just Faith here. I myself have been on the ********* side of the ********* as others are still.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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