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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 2416 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Message 191
You're doing a stellar job moderators! I stopped participating here back in December because you let Faith spew her ever more disgusting filth all over this whole forum. If Kleinman's rude arrogant bullshit is the accepted standard of behavior at EvC then I see no benefit in continuing. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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GDR Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 5409 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: |
My problem here is I want to have a place where we can civilly have a conversation around our views. I am not interested in discussions with those who accuse me of lacking integrity, being stupid or even lying. There does seem to be an attitude of some of the non-theists around here, that theistic views are ridiculous and that those that hold them are themselves ______. (fill in the blank with any number of insulting or patronizing adjectives).
Edited by GDR, : forgot a bracket He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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PaulK Member Posts: 16685 Joined: Member Rating: 3.8
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A civilised discussion does not preclude calling out nonsense.
It would be far better for you to apply a little critical thinking to your own views rather than attacking others for pointing out your irrationality.
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GDR Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 5409 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: |
I rest my case.
He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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PaulK Member Posts: 16685 Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
In that case I enter in evidence the entirely civilised Message 27 which received no reply.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 5539 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.0
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This may not be the place but I am one of the biggest offenders and you did bring it up. This is your fault.
Sorry GDR but this is fact. Religious people are weak minded and are unable or unwilling to understand that belief in phantasms is unrealistic, unscientific, mentally malicious and has been and continues to be a substantial threat to the conduct of human affairs. Harsh, I know, but the reality of human history cannot be denied. Theists and all of their various -isms are dangerous to the species and need to be countered, ridiculed, vilified at every opportunity. Which I personally don't do as often as I could/should because though I'm an asshole I am a lazy asshole. Still, the fact is you guys are nuts. Factio Republicana delenda est. ![]()
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Tangle Member Posts: 8054 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Yes, it gets like that sometimes. I can only apologise when (not if) I've done that to you. As far as I'm concerned, you're the acceptable face of Christianity, despite your ______. The trouble is we're surrounded by nutters, wackos, delusional idiots and crackpots - loads of them think they know stuff that Nobel Laureates would be made from. Just at the moment we have a guy here that thinks he can prove mathematically that evolution is impossible and another with no training at all in the subject is writing a book on cosmology and telling real physicists that they're wrong. A catholic can't even accept documented statements about his faith verifiable from the Vatican. Phat gets crazier every day and Faith, well come on... The one thing they have in common is an irrational belief so they try to make science's discoveries fit their belief - or try to discredit them if they can't. And all believers are incapable of skepticism. All of them, even you, the best of 'em. You can't tolerate evidence that seems to contradict a belief. Those of us interested in establishing facts find that intolerable. One-way thinking is simply not allowed in rational discussion. Just as a single tiny example. It's a fact, a simple fact, that the bible is written by anonymous authors. The authors did not put their names on their work. But time and again you ignore that as though it does not matter. It really does. And time and again you put the best possible spin on the evidence. It's not necessary and it's not good practice and it drives us mad. it makes fair argument impossible. Anyway, it gets to us, sorry. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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GDR Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 5409 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: |
Because at the same time you posted this Message 163
He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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GDR Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 5409 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: |
We also know how much human destruction has been brought about by atheistic regimes and that most of the damage done by theistic regimes was in a time when pretty much everyone was theistic. Christianity is based on the the teachings of Jesus who teaches that we are to treat others as we wanted to be treated. Not a lot of damage done when we adhere to that. He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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GDR Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 5409 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: |
Sure, I have a big problem with fundamentalism and I have no trouble presenting my POV but I don't find it necessary, (although maybe if you dig deep enough somebody can find an exception seeing as how I'm human) to be insulting. They are their beliefs just as you and I believe they are wrong.
He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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PaulK Member Posts: 16685 Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
quote: I certainly did not post that. Although I suppose I should point out that the person who did is far worse than even my less moderate responses. Indeed, none of my posts even appears on that page so I cannot think what you are referring to.
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GDR Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 5409 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: |
My apologies. This is the post I was referring to. Saw a 0 when it was a 9. Message 438
He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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PaulK Member Posts: 16685 Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
And clearly you failed to understand it or the trap.
The expected answer was “yes” - and I had no intention of disputing that.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8054 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
This is the maddening thing. There is no equivalence between their wacko beliefs and the discoveries of science. They are just wrong. And that's the end of it. To allow them the idea that that it's ok to believe something that is factually wrong is not ever going to be accepted as ok.
I'm glad that it actually does - in that it's wiping out the worst excesses of religious belief and moderating it. But really, science and religion have no point of contact - all it can tell you about your beliefs are that they're wrong.
I regard you as the exception. But in fact theology can't inform science. It has absolutely nothing to contribute.
No, I have said it many times and it's not arguable. Your professor would agree - the stories are not attributed. We can make educated guess but that's all.
The point is that there are many conflicting positions on this. It's an area of very divided opinion with not enough actual evidence to support any position - no matter how eminent. To take one side is ludicrous, to point out difficulties with particular positions is necessary. What it leaves is massive areas of doubt. Nothing remotely enough to make life choices on. Scepticism is the only valid position. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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GDR Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 5409 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: |
I would add that this is supposed to be a forum to debate the issue. It is EvC and not just E.
Also, it has only been in the last 50 years or so that there has been much interest in doing historical research on Jesus and the New Testament. In his book Bauckham does outline dissenting positions and allows in some cases that they may be correct. Bauckham’s research did involve reading all the work that had been done prior to writing what he did. I would add that there is now more ancient material available, and as well thanks to the internet, the work of other scholars is far more accessible than it had been. He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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