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Phat
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Message 841 of 902 (904853)
01-09-2023 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 840 by Theodoric
01-09-2023 9:57 AM


Re: Say What?
It's just that I feel a degree of intellectual arrogance here that is, in my opinion unearned. Why must I be the outlier?? I'm every bit as intelligent as any of you. Emotionally I'm a bit immature which is why, I suppose, this stuff even bothers me.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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ringo
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Message 842 of 902 (904862)
01-09-2023 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 834 by Tangle
01-08-2023 3:26 PM


Tangle writes:
ringo writes:
The little greenn dots disagree with you.
​I'm beating you on this page 4 to 2.
Don't try to pull that with me. We were talking about the troll pages, not this one.
I have gotten lots of cheers for slapping the trolls, so your claim that is not a good spectator sport is clearly false.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Theodoric
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Message 843 of 902 (904870)
01-09-2023 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 841 by Phat
01-09-2023 10:04 AM


Re: Say What?
If you are as intelligent than show it. Intelligence requires a curiosity. You have no curiosity. You just suck in whatever fits your belief set whether it is bullshit or not.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 844 of 902 (904876)
01-09-2023 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 843 by Theodoric
01-09-2023 12:28 PM


Re: Say What?
I am curious about God. You seem either blessed (or cursed as it were) with no such curiosity. You are more preoccupied with humans and secular humanism. Thus we differ.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Theodoric
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Message 845 of 902 (904878)
01-09-2023 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 844 by Phat
01-09-2023 3:56 PM


Re: Say What?
I have been very curious about a god and religion my whole life. That is why I have studied and researched many religions. I have not taken anything for granted. You are only curious about fortifying your beliefs, not challenging them. Big difference.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Tanypteryx
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Message 846 of 902 (907812)
02-28-2023 4:06 PM


Why is candle2 allowed to continue
Message 1429
Why is this kind of smear allowed to continue over and over without so much as a comment from admin?
This is definitely not "understanding through discussion," instead it's just a firehose of hate straight from Fox!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Phat
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Message 847 of 902 (907814)
02-28-2023 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 846 by Tanypteryx
02-28-2023 4:06 PM


Re: Why is candle2 allowed to continue
just saw the link. (Edited)

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Phat
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Message 848 of 902 (907818)
02-28-2023 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 845 by Theodoric
01-09-2023 5:16 PM


Re: Say What?
OK, fair enough. Lets start with what you used to believe and why you changed your mind.
One cannot challenge what they cannot define.
Add by edit: I just noticed i'm dragging this thread off topic. Lets redirect my question
here: Message 1430

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Theodoric
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Message 849 of 902 (907819)
02-28-2023 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 848 by Phat
02-28-2023 4:16 PM


Re: Say What?
Nope. Start a topic. I may contribute.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Adminnemooseus
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Message 850 of 902 (907830)
02-28-2023 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 846 by Tanypteryx
02-28-2023 4:06 PM


Re: Why is candle2 allowed to continue
My following of topics is very limited. I don't follow the topic in question.
You want to be an admin? Got someone else you wish to nominate to be an admin?
Adminnemooseus

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Tanypteryx
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Message 851 of 902 (907832)
02-28-2023 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 850 by Adminnemooseus
02-28-2023 10:21 PM


Re: Why is candle2 allowed to continue
Now that would be really horrible...fuck is my favorite word. And I would permanently ban most of those assholes without even warning them.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 852 of 902 (907862)
03-01-2023 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 846 by Tanypteryx
02-28-2023 4:06 PM


Re: Why is candle2 allowed to continue
I think candle2 is just expressing himself in the language of the far right. The topic is The Meaning Of The Trinity, so there's considerable topic drift, but all he's really saying is that nwr is ignorant, that the Democrats support the perversions of abortion, transgender people, and transexual people, and that Obama advocates letting babies that survive abortion starve. It should be possible for people to describe in what ways they think candle2 is wrong, though perhaps in a more appropriate thread.

--Percy
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Tanypteryx
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Message 853 of 902 (907888)
03-01-2023 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 852 by Admin
03-01-2023 10:45 AM


Re: Why is candle2 allowed to continue
He's an insurrectionist MAGA using your forum to spread the same disinformation, hate, and lies about everyone that opposes his views, that have been used to threaten the lives of Americans. I think allowing him to continue using your platform is the same as endorsing his views.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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AZPaul3
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Message 854 of 902 (907896)
03-01-2023 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 853 by Tanypteryx
03-01-2023 1:29 PM


Re: Why is candle2 allowed to continue
Tany, Yeah I hear ya and I feel. But I can't support a ban or suspension. The worst you can do with the nazi is punch'em in the nose. We can't kill them yet. That time will come.
What the boy says is morally reprehensible, factually wrong, purposely inflammatory, politically nazi and dumb as hell. But, you and I both know from history that this level of censorship doesn't work. The free market of ideas kinda thing.
You gotta swallow real hard and have some faith that the Grand Ideals of the Enlightenment are, ultimately, right.
Let everyone see the poison, just like religion, as long as there are those with voice to point, laugh and scream.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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nwr
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Message 855 of 902 (910428)
04-22-2023 4:40 PM


Inappropriate thread in Coffee House
The thread What Wisdom Should Society Adapt? should be moved to somewhere more appropriate, perhaps to Bible Study.

--> -->Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity <-- <--

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