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Taq Member Posts: 10348 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3
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I propose in this thread that I am the one and only non-creationist in this forum. That is simple. I cannot conceive a single atom to be created out of nothing or being turned into nothing. I am with you on that one. I fully agree that the Big Bang was caused by something, be it the collision of M-branes or some other theory yet to be constructed.
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Taq, those m or peabrain propositions are all crypto-dtching of the big bunk nonsense. For to collide is a verb describing an event resulting from a motion of well-existing objects relative to each other. That contradicts the idea of the space-time creating bang as all motion implies space to be well there already and could be well measured in time. The branes must travel some distances before colliding, you know. That excludes any creations, expansion of the universe as a whole, etc. Turns the bunk into a non-event. That the mpeabrains themselves are purely imaginary and impossible entities is another matter. It just requires a timeline outside of our universe's timeline. That's it. Problem solved.
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Taq Member Posts: 10348 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3
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You've got a grave problem with definitions.
Wow, a website dedicated to semantic fallacies.
Otherwise what is exactly the contribution of bigbangism to progress and science that you are hinting at? The BB explains galactic redshift, the CMB, time dilation in distant type Ia supernovae, and a whole host of other observations.
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Redshift of the signal explained with stretching intergalactic distances is strictly for birds. I guess I don't understand what you are getting at here. Are you saying that expansion would not produce redshifts?
Space, time and light speed signal are three sides of a triangle. Since when? You seem to be making stuff up.
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No, what I am saying is that expansion of space is a ludicrous concept not explaining in any way the observation of the redshift of the signal. You can say that the Earth is stationary and that the Sun orbits around it. Saying stuff DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE. People once claimed the heliocentrism was ludicrous. In the words of Galileo, "And yet it moves". You need to learn the concept summarized by the phrase, "the map is not the territory".
Space is an abstraction and not an expandable fabric . . . You are going to need to supply evidence for this. Where is your evidence that space is not expanding. Also, where is your explanation for why the light from distant galaxies is redshifted?
Of course, mathematically the relation could be easily reduced to the relation of sides in a triangle. Why not a square, or an octagon?
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Whereas the Universe is not such an object surrounded with an outside and therefore it is not capable of the kind of uniform outward motion of its surface that is called an expansion. Where is your support for any of these claims?
The physics of it cannot change. It can not be made up on the spot either, which is exactly what you are doing.
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Remember, it is you lot who are making all the positive tall claims. As are you. You are claiming that a universe can not expand unless there is something to expand into. Where is your support for this claim?
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He is asking the cat to support the observation that some available room is needed to move in each and every case where a motion of physical objects has occurred. False. I am challenging the claim that room is needed in each and every case. Where is your support?
The process of expansion is a two entities relation. One entity expands and another is being expanded into. No exceptions. Evidence please.
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The BBT requires the Universe have a beginning to exist. Thus it had to be created from non existence, which is an impossibility.
Why couldn't it have been created from existence? Lightning has a beginning, so does that mean lightning comes from non-exsitence? You are just like Mr. Maddenstein. You are making claims you have zero evidence for.
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The distance between points is kept as vague, the actual borderline where gravity ends and the putative anti-gravity the clowns call the devil's energy begins its sphere of influence is equally left darkly undefined so the quacks can get away with any murder on large scales. That's false as well. The force of gravity and dark energy are well defined. Gravity decreases over distance while dark energy increases.
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In science we don't deal with dubious evidence to persuade the jury and the crowd. In science we conceptualise and explain. In science, we do deal with evidence. That's the whole point.
The expanding entity always has a physical border. Evidence please.
Expansion in this case is claimed to signify an increase in the physical volume of the Universe. The volume must necessarily be gained from another already existing volume. Evidence please.
The Universe is surrounded by nothing by definition. Where? From everything I have read, there is no evidence one way or the other.
It's up to you to show the judge how this clear meaning of the physical term could be violated . . . No, it is up to you to show that your claims are backed by evidence. Shifting the burden of proof only shows how shallow your claims are.
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That is my point it was. There had to be existence for the Uiverse to begin to exist. Then the problem is solved.
Lightning happens when specific conditions occur in the atmosphere. Why can't universes be produced in a similar manner?
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Take the balloon you guys are always talking about and put your dots on it. Get you a 1 qt. syrup bottle that has the very small neck. Stuff the balloon into the bottle. Once you have all the baloon in the bottle you will notice that there is a lot of space between the balloon and the glass of the bottle. Now begin to blow air into the balloon and it will began to fill the space inside the bottle until the bottle is full. You will notice then that the balloon will try to escape out of the bottle at the point you are introducing air. But try as you may you will not get the balloon to expand any further inside the bottle, as it has reached the limit it can expand. Now take another balloon and do not put it in anyting and begin to blow it up. It will burst before it fills the space around it. Therefore if the Universe is expanding it is expanding into existence.
You need to learn your logical fallacies. That is an argument from analogy, a well known fallacy.
As the cat says for something to expand it has to have something to expand into. Whether that is true or not, the fact is that the universe is expanding. That is what all of the evidence demonstrates. For whatever reason, the cat wants to ignore the facts because they don't fit into his fantasies of what the universe should look like according to Cat. That is the epitome of hubris.
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Does that mean that there is no dark energy between the Milky Way and Andromeda?
It means that there is more dark energy between us and the Milky Way than there is between us and the Sun. Dark energy is evenly distributed through the universe, so the amount of expansion caused by dark energy is a function of distance. The more distance there is between two objects the more expansion there in the space between the objects. Gravity goes the other way. The further away two objects are the weaker the attraction. This means that over shorter distances gravity is the dominant force. However, over larger distances dark energy is the dominant force.
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You need some evidence to the contrary? I need some evidence for your claims. "That which can be asserted without evidence, can bedismissed without evidence."--Christopher Hitchens All of the evidence demonstrates that the universe is expanding. Your position is worse than being unsupported. It is contradicted by the facts.
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