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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 4215 days) Posts: 565 Joined:
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I propose in this thread that I am the one and only non-creationist in this forum. That is simple. I cannot conceive a single atom to be created out of nothing or being turned into nothing. An atom that exists could only be relatively absent in a relative location or it may change its form, split or fuse with other atoms if it is present there. Creation is absolutely impossible in any way, shape or form. Nothing is new but all is only newly reconfigured in ways that are rather old is the only rational position possible in my view.
The others on this site I divide into two groups. The majority of cryptic creationists who are firmly in denial. And the minority of open creationists ridiculed and bullied by the majority of those firmly in denial about their creationism. I might have overlooked someone who is also an open non-creationist here, and if such is the case, then the cat owes them an apology. They are welcome to come out.Open creationists get some respect from the feline for being open. Also being in minority gets some sympathy by default. Besides since bigbangism is a far greater violation of reason than open creationism,- after all, open creationists propose an object they call God, however inconceivable, while bigbangists do not suggest anything but pure nothing as the ultimate source of not just one but all the atoms in existence, the open creationists have some advantage on logical grounds. While the cryptic ones deserve ridicule only for being in such an absurd denial. Denial is impossible and here is the testimony from the horse's mouth: Mr. Hawking is the idiot idol of the cryptic lot and this is his position in his own words all here are invited to justify or deny: "Since there is such a law as gravity, the Universe can and will create itself out of nothing." Enough said. Since that is free for all now, anybody is free to demonstrate they are not creationists cryptic or otherwise or defend their creationism before the Cheshire who will analyse and evaluate all the claims staked to such a position.Thank you.
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Admin Director Posts: 13106 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
Thread copied here from the The one and only non-creationist in this forum. thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Dogmafood Member Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined:
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If anyone here is cryptic then you must be at the top of the list.
If I were to respond to you in kind then I would say something like, 'The Cheshire cat plays the muse well in wonderland but does not have enough substance to make it past the door and back to reality. Imagined to exist, the little pussy is forever disappearing.' Equating the knowledge held by a theoretical physicist with the 'knowledge held' by a religious creationist is absurd. Hawking's conclusions are not at all like the Pope's. Separating your position from the rest of the forum is appropriate but I think that you have the labels wrong. While some of your questions and points seem valid to me, there is no conspiracy and you are not a cat.
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while bigbangists do not suggest anything but pure nothing as the ultimate source of not just one but all the atoms in existence, What do you suggest is the ultimate source of the atoms?
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 123 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined:
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AM writes: I cannot conceive a single atom to be created out of nothing or being turned into nothing. ... Mr. Hawking is the idiot idol of the cryptic lot...
All your posts here boil down to insults based on arguments from incredulity. In contrast, Hawking can show us his work. Please show us yours."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 10.0
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Oh Great! Now he's going to be leaving dead mice on the doorstep.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 123 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes: Oh Great! Now he's going to be leaving dead mice on the doorstep. Improvement."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
All your posts here boil down to insults based on arguments from incredulity.
Oh Great! Now he's going to be leaving dead mice on the doorstep. In contrast, Hawking can show us his work. Please show us yours. Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10293 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4
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I propose in this thread that I am the one and only non-creationist in this forum. That is simple. I cannot conceive a single atom to be created out of nothing or being turned into nothing. I am with you on that one. I fully agree that the Big Bang was caused by something, be it the collision of M-branes or some other theory yet to be constructed.
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ringo Member (Idle past 660 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Alfred Maddenstein writes:
So "non-creationist" means you have a particular conceptual deficiency? Like "colourblind" means you have a particular vision deficiency? I cannot conceive a single atom to be created out of nothing or being turned into nothing. Okay, you might very well be the only one here with that specific deficiency. Edited by ringo, : Fixed garbled logic.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9580 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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You're missing out a whole category of cat. The Manx.
Those of us that know that there is no tale. (Yes I know)Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2354 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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You're missing out a whole category of cat. The Manx. Those of us that know that there is no tale. (Yes I know) Imagine the quandry a pet store owner was in when one of his kittens suffered an unfortunate accident, and lost its tail. What could he do? He couldn't wholesale the poor creature, nor could he retail it!
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Panda Member (Idle past 3961 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
You both deserve to be pun-ished.
"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2725 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Alfred Maddenstein writes: Besides since bigbangism is a far greater violation of reason than open creationism,- after all, open creationists propose an object they call God, however inconceivable, while bigbangists do not suggest anything but pure nothing as the ultimate source of not just one but all the atoms in existence,..... "Pure nothing" cannot be a source, as a source is something. The Big Bang is the rapid expansion of something not yet understood into something else.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Since that is free for all now, anybody is free to demonstrate they are not creationists ... Sure thing.
creationism noun : a doctrine or theory holding that matter, the various forms of life, and the world were created by God out of nothing and usually in the way described in Genesis I do not hold this view. So I am not a creationist. The fact that I disagree with you does not make me a creationist, because that isn't what "creationist" means. And it is unnecessary to try to hijack it for this purpose, since there is already a word for people who disagree with you. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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