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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Ananias and Sapphira were not punished for "selfishness and greed"as you claimed.
They were punished for lying to the Holy Spirit, which is said quite plainly in the passage you quoted:
Then Peter said, Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God. Jesus did not advocate communism. There is one description of the church VOLUNTARILY sharing among themselves, it is not PRESCRIBED, it is not advocated or taught, and obviously they did not include people outside the church.He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes, it's a "belief lockdown," it's RIGHTLY a belief lockdown. She has EVIDENCE of God and His word, she rightly KNOWS there is no "evidence" against His word, even if she can't prove it. She has enough faith to avoid being sucked into the Evo Illusion.
He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Bible believers do not lack discrimination or the ability to judge by evidence or anything having to do with true science,. We hold our faith BY evidence as a matter of fact, it's been proved to us over and over again in our experience.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's not just evolution (ie biology) that's wrong though is it? It's physics, geology, palaeontology, astronomy, genetics, molecular biology, embryology and in the end maths and chemistry. You have to throw away ALL of modern science in order to believe what a YEC believes. Beats me how they have the gall to use a PC. This is pernicious nonsense, Tangle. Every time somebody says this it's painfully clear how little any of you understand. No it is NOT about true science it is ONLY about the fake "science" that is used to justify evolution. You guys are unable to sort it out, you take it all as one indigestible lump, but MOST true science has nothing whatever to do with evolution. Zip, nada. I need to get back to the DNA thread. It's blissfully free of evolutionist fantasy. Not that somebody couldn't throw some in and think they're just doing science, but it would all be interpretive fantasy without their recognizing it. Dr. Adequate's geology course is a joy until he gets into the evolutionist fairy tale WAY into the course, which he didn't have to do, he could have kept it as pure science as all the rest of it was/is. Science is good stuff. Evolution is a hideous nightmare that got imposed on science. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: This is pernicious nonsense, Tangle. Every time somebody says this it's painfully clear how little any of you understand. So when a YEC say that the earth is 6,000 old which invalidates the entire field of geology, great chunks of physics and all of astronomy that's me not understanding science?Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It doesn't invalidate the field of geology at all, the age of the earth is entirely an interpretive scheme. The only actual science it contradicts is radiometric dating, which someday will be proved to be false but meanwhile that's the only science that takes a hit. Everything else is interpretation or theory. Everything in geology is quite easily accommodated in 6000 years. You only THINK the billions of years has been scientifically established. It's all smoke and mirrors.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Faith writes: It doesn't invalidate the field of geology at all, the age of the earth is entirely an interpretive scheme. The only actual science it contradicts is radiometric dating, which someday will be proved to be false but meanwhile that's the only science that takes a hit. Everything else is interpretation or theory. Everything in geology is quite easily accommodated in 6000 years. You only THINK the billions of years has been scientifically established. It's all smoke and mirrors. You're going to have to take this on faith, Faith; trust me, for the earth to be only 6,000 years old the entirety of the subject of geology is wrong. None of it works, it's dead. Followed by pretty much the entirety of all scientific knowledge - everything. Hundreds of years of study, by millions of scientists, across multiple disciplines with millions of experiments to prove their ideas beyond reasonable doubt - but you know it's wrong because you just KNOW it. Fabulous. Edited by Tangle, : Spelling....Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Panda Member (Idle past 3740 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Faith writes:
Since there is no 6000 year old genetic 'bottleneck' in humans, it would also invalidate Genetics. It doesn't invalidate the field of geology at all, the age of the earth is entirely an interpretive scheme. The only actual science it contradicts is radiometric dating, which someday will be proved to be false but meanwhile that's the only science that takes a hit. Everything else is interpretation or theory. Everything in geology is quite easily accommodated in 6000 years."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hi Faith, and welcome back.
It doesn't invalidate the field of geology at all, the age of the earth is entirely an interpretive scheme. The only actual science it contradicts is radiometric dating, which someday will be proved to be false but meanwhile that's the only science that takes a hit. Everything else is interpretation or theory. Everything in geology is quite easily accommodated in 6000 years. You only THINK the billions of years has been scientifically established. It's all smoke and mirrors. Ah, then you will be able to explain the correlations:
Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1 I can post them step by step here if you don't want (or can't) tackle it on that thread. The task is not just to explain how each system is wrong in it's evidence and conclusions for time that has elapsed, but the correlations between the different methods: why they get the same results. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : subtitleby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Faith writes:
It isn't about the creation-evolution debate. It is about human nature and about how people with strong beliefs react when they encounter evidence that is contrary to those beliefs.First, how can you justify the basic craziness of getting a bunch of clearly average believers together with professional scientists and think anything about the creation-evolution debate could be revealed this way? As far as I know, this was an entertainment program on TV. I presume that the creationists participated voluntarily - they perhaps got a free vacation out of it. I'm sure that they knew well in advance that they were going to have their beliefs challenged. Obviously, I don't know what went on that was not on the video. What I saw on the video was scientists presenting their evidence, but not directly attacking the beliefs of the participants. For example, Jerry Coyne vehemently attacks religion on his blog, but I did not see any of that on the video. He did ask hard questions about the ark story - as in hard for creationists to answer.
Faith writes:
She appears to be more open minded, more willing to confront the evidence and rethink her beliefs. That is what I see as a positive about her. What she believed at the start, and what she finally believes when she has worked through this, are her choices and no concern of mine. But, as an educator, I do have an appreciation from people who are willing to reconsider their views in the light of new evidence.It's rather telling it seems to me that the most popular "creationist" to some on this thread was JoJo who is no Bible believer, probably doesn't know much Bible at all, supports gay rights as if the Bible has nothing to say about that, obviously has a merely sentimental "belief" which can hardly be called faith. Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sorry Faith but your very posts in this thread refute your position.
You KNOW the TRUTH, and so cannot be swayed by facts or evidence. That is why a Creationist can never honestly be a scientist.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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Everything in geology is quite easily accommodated in 6000 years. Horsefeathers! By 1830 the protogeologists in England and France had given up on a young earth, a lifetime before radioactivity was even discovered. And several of them, like William Buckland, were lifelong Christians and defenders of the faith. "The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." H L Mencken
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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That is why a Creationist can never honestly be a scientist. Also, why any discussion with Faith is a waste of time. Rational discussion is impossible with her and Forever. Faiths comments on another thread about the Catholic church and the inquisition should disqualify her as being a person one can have a rational conversation with.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Faith writes: Jesus did not advocate communism. There is one description of the church VOLUNTARILY sharing among themselves, it is not PRESCRIBED, it is not advocated or taught, and obviously they did not include people outside the church. Acts 2:44-45: And all that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. --Percy
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
From this, and previous posts, you have demonstrated (among other things) that you do not know what a theory is in science.
I have included some definitions below which might help you to better understand these terms. Most importantly, a theory is not a guess, or, as you seem to imply, a wild-ass guess. If you wish to discuss science, it would be appropriate for you to actually learn something about it, and these definitions are a good place to start. ----------------------------- Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses. Theories do not grow up to be laws. Theories explain laws. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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