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Message 11 of 51 (678752)
11-10-2012 9:14 AM 		Reply to: Message 1 by tesla
11-08-2012 12:11 PM

Middle Ground
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Cern was holding a two day event to invite religious leaders and philosophers to debate their data to try to find a middle ground of agreement between philosophy, religion, and science. Since science contains a lot of data with no real interpretations when addressing potentials of soul or beginnings. I sent this to Cern, and I would like to debate the letter for the truth is either does, or does not contain.
Seems to me that by invoking the word decision you are theorizing that the first cause was personal.
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11-10-2012 9:30 AM 		Reply to: Message 1 by tesla
11-08-2012 12:11 PM

Philosophical jabberwocky
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...until existence 'is', nothing can exist...
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As far as we know, anyway. Reality can exist before a thought of that reality is generated,no?
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and If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? If a universe happens into existence before physical laws can be defined, is it subject to those laws?
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11-10-2012 9:48 AM 		Reply to: Message 14 by tesla
11-10-2012 9:38 AM

Re: Philosophical jabberwocky
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The point I'm making is that regardless of what appears to be, only with a real thing, could a real thing appear. and so: to exist, and have 'being', substance, and reality, it must come from that which has being and reality.
Sounds like a point for the Creator.
Son Goku or cavediver would be useful at this point.
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11-11-2012 9:11 AM 		Reply to: Message 26 by tesla
11-11-2012 8:42 AM

Re: Beware the jabberwock my son!
Is it arrogance of man when mankind sets themselves to be the most intelligent thing in the universe because we figured out how some of it works?
Yes. We have no idea what idea we even wish to discover, apart from having the answer. Not only have we bitten off more than we can chew...we never will be able to chew this much.
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Message 37 of 51 (679068)
11-12-2012 10:00 AM 		Reply to: Message 36 by tesla
11-11-2012 11:29 AM

Newsflash: God is defined.
Any "God" not supernatural is no God to me. A God of my understanding is the equivalent of declaring myself God.
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And, in my belief paradigm this is simply not an option.
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