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Message 4 of 274 (678956)
11-11-2012 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by foreveryoung
11-11-2012 7:36 PM


Ann is simply irrelevant
It's true that Ann Coulter is not fit to be in polite company, but she is not significant enough to be considered hateful. She's not significant enough to be considered much of anything for that matter; maybe about like the sophomoric loudmouth that tries to get a reaction by being vulgar but certainly no more significant than that.
But she's smart enough to know where the money is and there's gold to be mined in them their Christian Fundamentalist.

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Message 9 of 274 (678964)
11-11-2012 8:54 PM
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11-11-2012 8:35 PM


Fordham
It's funny foreveryoung would mention Fordham, a private University affiliated with the Roman Catholic Society of Jesus and whose President is Rev. Joseph M. McShane, S.J.

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Message 24 of 274 (678988)
11-11-2012 9:44 PM
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11-11-2012 9:33 PM


Re: Ann is simply irrelevant
The gold they give to Ann.
She's smart enough to understand her shtik would never make any money in any other audience and at most she might create a shtuss.

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Message 32 of 274 (678998)
11-11-2012 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by foreveryoung
11-11-2012 9:48 PM


Re: Coulter not banned
Do you know the origin and position of the Society of Jesus, that they are Conservative, that they were formed during the period called the counter-reformation; that they opposed the liberalism that was the Reformation?
Do you know what the term "conservative" means?

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Message 39 of 274 (679008)
11-11-2012 10:04 PM
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11-11-2012 10:01 PM


Re: Coulter not banned
I assume that you have evidence to support your assertions that they want to bring back the Inquisition to torture and murder everyone they call a "heretic."
If not, then it's just another example of an unsupported assertion from the CCoI.

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Message 49 of 274 (679019)
11-11-2012 10:22 PM
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11-11-2012 10:08 PM


Re: Coulter not banned
Too funny.
Evidence Faith, not assertions. You do know the difference don't you?

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jar
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Message 54 of 274 (679025)
11-11-2012 10:45 PM
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11-11-2012 10:36 PM


Re: Off topic, but this topic is crap anyway, so sue me.
Well, until 1969 likely worked in building 470 at Ft. Detrick, Md.
After 1969 likely part of USAMRIID.
Edited by jar, : hit wrong key

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Message 59 of 274 (679030)
11-11-2012 11:02 PM
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11-11-2012 10:47 PM


Re: Off topic, but this topic is crap anyway, so sue me.
Hit the post key instead of the preview key and had to add the post 1969 info.
After 1969 likely part of USAMRIID.

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Message 61 of 274 (679032)
11-11-2012 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Faith
11-11-2012 11:05 PM


evidence
I'd need overwhelming evidence that TODAY the Society of Jesus has a goal of imposing Roman Catholicism on everyone and that they have a goal of re-instituting the Inquisition.
Good luck.
AbE:
In addition you would need to provide overwhelming evidence that they had teh capability to do any such thing.
You have read our Constitution haven't you?
Edited by jar, : fix sub-title and add AbE:

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Message 75 of 274 (679077)
11-12-2012 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Faith
11-12-2012 1:48 AM


Re: evidence / Inquisition / Holy Roman Empire
Here is my statement where I said that the Society of Jesus was conservative.
Do you know the origin and position of the Society of Jesus, that they are Conservative, that they were formed during the period called the counter-reformation; that they opposed the liberalism that was the Reformation?
Note that I did provide evidence, that the Jesuits were formed during the period of the counter-reformation and that they opposed the liberalism that was the Reformation. Also note that I was talking about the origin of the Society of Jesus.
You can find the quote in Message 32.
Now let's move on to you next post where you list what YOU see as liberal traits.
Welcome to the Office of Multicultural Affairs!
The Office of Multicultural Affairs (OMA) is a resource available to the Fordham University campus community. OMA upholds the University’s mission to honor and revere the dignity and uniqueness of each person, in keeping with the Jesuit and Catholic fundamentals of faith, hope and love. OMA fosters and promotes the formation of an inclusive campus culture and learning environment in which each member of the Fordham University family is welcomed and valued. OMA provides a variety of resources to help facilitate an engaged campus community that proactively explores topics of diversity, including race and ethnicity, gender, culture, sexual identity, socioeconomic status, religious orientation, ability, international concerns, social justice and oppression. Working collaboratively with student organizations, University departments, faculty, academic offices and others, OMA develops creative programs and projects designed to enhance competent intercultural interaction and engagement. Programs sponsored by the OMA includes the Sustained Dialogue Series, deeper dialogues, the Diversity Peer Leaders Program, and the LGBT and Ally Network of Support. Fordham University community members are encouraged to get involved and contact OMA for additional information on available multicultural programs and services.
You do understand that those traits you put in BIG letters are also the exact traits that Jesus exhorted us to follow?
Are you saying that today's Conservatives support oppression, oppose religious orientation, oppose social justice?
If so, then I agree with you, it does seem that today's Conservatives do support oppression, oppose religious orientation, oppose social justice.
Or are you saying that today's Conservatives oppose even exploring, talking, discussing those subjects?
If so, then I agree with you yet again, it does seem that today's Conservatives do oppose and fear discussing those subjects.
Which brings us back to Ann Coulter, an avowed Conservative that most definitely exhibits those fears and does seem to oppose social justice.

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Message 99 of 274 (679145)
11-12-2012 4:46 PM
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11-12-2012 3:21 PM


Re: evidence / Inquisition / Holy Roman Empire
Simply asserting that the Jesuits were opposed to the "liberalism" of the Protestant Reformation is NOT evidence of anything, jar, it's just what I called it, a bare assertion.
Which is a just plain silly thing to say but I can try to educate you.
When was the Society of Jesus formed?
"Liberalism" of the Protestant Reformation, my foot. They opposed the Protestant Reformation because it got back to the Bible as the foundation of Christianity, a pretty conservative move if you ask me, and threw out the traditions of Rome that were contrary to the true Biblical faith, and their objective was to bring people back to the Pope. Still is.
I'd be glad to try to educate you on the Reformation as well but that is a broad subject and so better in another thread. Start a topic on it and we can explore.
As I just explained to Panda, those terms are Liberal Agenda terms, they mark the university as a liberal university, and the phrase "hate speech" marks your "conservative" Jesuit as a liberal. That's the point I was making. I made it and it stands, your liberal spin notwithstanding.
I don't have a Conservative Jesuit and I doubt you can point out where I made such a claim.
So to add to the list are you now saying that today's Conservative supports Hate Speech?
If so, then I agree with you.
You do understand that Jesus would oppose hate speech?

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Message 101 of 274 (679147)
11-12-2012 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by foreveryoung
11-12-2012 4:45 PM


what's in it for ME Christianity
foreveryoung writes:
That's exactly right. Christianity is all about what God did for us through his Son. It has absolutely nothing to do with us and especially nothing to do with our actions.
That is what I call the "What's in it for ME Christianity". Jesus though spoke constantly about actions, about what his followers and all mankind should do.
Have you ever actually read the Bible?
quote:
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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Message 111 of 274 (679160)
11-12-2012 5:53 PM
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11-12-2012 5:43 PM


Re: evidence / Inquisition / Holy Roman Empire
Maybe you really don't know what a conservative is.
I also note that in the very same post to repeated material that show the Society of Jesus was created to help conserve the status-quo but then say you are uninterested in discussing the subject.
But you also did not answer the questions and so I will repeat them.
Are you now saying that today's Conservative supports Hate Speech?
Are you saying that today's Conservatives support oppression, oppose religious orientation, oppose social justice?
Are you saying that today's Conservatives oppose even exploring, talking, discussing those subjects?

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jar
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Message 114 of 274 (679170)
11-12-2012 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Faith
11-12-2012 6:18 PM


Re: evidence / Inquisition / Holy Roman Empire
Well I'm not surprised that you fear discussing the Reformation so let's look at your quote from the Fordam.
From your message Message 68:
quote:
Here it is:
Welcome to the Office of Multicultural Affairs!
The Office of Multicultural Affairs (OMA) is a resource available to the Fordham University campus community. OMA upholds the University’s mission to honor and revere the dignity and uniqueness of each person, in keeping with the Jesuit and Catholic fundamentals of faith, hope and love. OMA fosters and promotes the formation of an inclusive campus culture and learning environment in which each member of the Fordham University family is welcomed and valued. OMA provides a variety of resources to help facilitate an engaged campus community that proactively explores topics of diversity, including race and ethnicity, gender, culture, sexual identity, socioeconomic status, religious orientation, ability, international concerns, social justice and oppression. Working collaboratively with student organizations, University departments, faculty, academic offices and others, OMA develops creative programs and projects designed to enhance competent intercultural interaction and engagement. Programs sponsored by the OMA includes the Sustained Dialogue Series, deeper dialogues, the Diversity Peer Leaders Program, and the LGBT and Ally Network of Support. Fordham University community members are encouraged to get involved and contact OMA for additional information on available multicultural programs and services.

Shall we step though it one line at a time?
Beginning, the first sentence points out that "The Office of Multicultural Affairs (OMA) is a resource available to the Fordham University campus community." It's a resource that can be used.
Do you understand that?

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Message 140 of 274 (679299)
11-13-2012 10:24 AM


A review of the thread and attempt to return to the topic
In the OP foreveryoung posted some assertions and asked a question.
The topic title asks "Ann Coulter (Is she hateful?)".
He said " It isn't any wonder then when colleges like Fordham University ban Coulter from speaking at their campuses. "
In Message 36 he provided his source for the assertion that Fordham banned Ann Coulter but the very quote HE provided says otherwise.
quote:
I happen to love Fordham University. My daughter got a great education there. As president of the College Democrats, she worked well with College Republicans. I met a whole lot of them when they politely turned out the night she helped bring Howard Dean to campus; the next year, she got to moderate a question-and-answer session — to ensure fairness — when the College Republicans hosted Karl Rove. It felt to me like a lost era of civility and reason as I watched young people from the two parties get along up in the Bronx.
But now the Fordham College Republicans have invited Ann Coulter, who outdoes Karl Rove (barely, these days) in the department of divisiveness and meanness. I had a moment of regretting the mega-dollars I spent on Fordham — even though I know the clubs are free to invite whomever they like, within reason (although this tests reason). Then I saw Fordham President Father Joseph McShane’s terrific reply, which I’m printing in full.
Given the dramatic rightward shift of the Republican Party, I happen to believe that the path back to civility involves civil people not merely smiling and being civil but forcefully calling extremist Republicans out on their cruelty and extremism. Father McShane shows the way. He blasts Coulter’s message as hateful and needlessly provocative more heat than light and says her message is aimed squarely at the darker side of our nature.
McShane notes that Fordham has been blighted by ugly racial and homophobic incidents in the last few years, and he laments the lack of maturity shown by his young campus Republicans in inviting the provocateur Coulter. But he says he trusts the Fordham community to model the power of decency and reason to overcome hatred and prejudice. Let’s hope that happens. Personally, I hope Coulter reads McShane’s statement, withdraws from the engagement and spends some time reflecting on why she’s filled with so much hate. But I’m a dreamer.
Update: Tonight, the Fordham College Republicans have cancelled Coulter’s appearance.
So the very quote that foreveryoung used as evidence refutes his assertion that Fordham banned Ann Coulter.
But the question remains, is Ann Coulter hateful?
As I said in my reply to him, "It's true that Ann Coulter is not fit to be in polite company, but she is not significant enough to be considered hateful. She's not significant enough to be considered much of anything for that matter; maybe about like the sophomoric loudmouth that tries to get a reaction by being vulgar but certainly no more significant than that.
But she's smart enough to know where the money is and there's gold to be mined in them their Christian Fundamentalist."
Ann Coulter is simply not important enough for anyone to really worry about. She has found a profitable niche and is very successful at marketing her shpeil and shtick. Within that market she is a groyser tzuleyger.

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