Ann Coulter (Is she hateful?)

Yes. So? Why should liberals be "physically intimidated" for being liberals? Why is that a compelling justification for executing traitors? Executing traitors may be justified for some other reason, that's not what I'm arguing about. Why is it important to physically intimidate liberals?

That's an easy one. Because the conservatives know in their hearts that their arguments and philosophy cannot stand up to scrutiny and will never win our hearts and minds, so they think intimidation will shut us up.Comparing liberals to traitors is an example their warped view of what America stands for..... a disgusting example.

Y'know, I actually thought you might have been telling the truth in post #199. How wrong I was.

Yes I suppose that would be offensive but I agree with her that there's plenty of traitorous talk among what she called "college liberals" even if that category doesn't include all of you. As usual she's making a point that liberals have trouble appreciating because, well, you aren't conservatives who are really depressed by what we see as traitorous thinking in your camp.As for the Muslimized America traitor, what on earth makes him "conservative?" But I won't argue the point that executing a traitor should be a warning to ANY traitor on either side of the political spectrum.We could disagree about what constitutes traitorous thinking of course. Even BEING a Communist in America, where that ideology is in direct contradiction to the philosophical foundations of our nation, certainly can be thought of as traitorous in itself. But Annie's comparison was only directed against preventing, if possible, actual physical treachery such as joining with our enemies and shooting at our soldiers. Now MOST Americans wouldn't do that, even Communists, I agree. But as usual, dear Annie (I'm coming to love her more and more as a great warrior against political corrrectness as I see the kind of demonization she is so unfairly attracting here) is making a polemical point about something that is basically true, and it hurts liberal sensitivities. I guess that can't be helped.Might as well add here since I never got back to your very nice offer to try to discuss these things amicably -- the thread just keeps rolling on and it's easy to get lost in it -- I'll just say here that I still wish it were possible but I'm not up to it, at least not now. I nevertheless would like to keep ALL our discussions as amicable as possible.

It's to "physically intimidate" POTENTIAL TRAITORS, Crash. And there is no "physical" anything going on, but somehow you treat it as if she'd advocated throwing you all in irons or something when she's only talking about executing traitors as an EXAMPLE.Dear Annie is speaking for conservatives who do regard a lot of what "college liberals" promote as traitorous ideas. Yes, I know you all don't see it that way, and are probably quite loyal Americans, but then what would be wrong with executing actual traitors as a possible deterrent to any possible actualizing of traitorous impulses in the minds of "college liberals?"If in fact there ARE no such actual traitorous impulses, great, then there's nothing to be deterred. Maybe it would then deter some other Muslim type traitors as Rahvin suggested. The idea is to deter ANY form of treacherous activity, and Annie and I do see traitorous thinking among "college liberals" even if it escapes all you nice liberals here. I felt it already back in the sixties before I had any coherent political mindset of my own, back in the days when they actually talked "revolution" against America. Those radicals have assumed a lower profile since those days but their philosophy has nevertheless grown and spread since then. It's contaminated the whole younger generation, including my own family.Yes, I know you aren't in a position to see it. I hereby exonerate you and present company completely from any desire to go shoot at Americans from within the ranks of our enemies. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You are SO right and I need to learn to stop predicting my leaving anywhere as I'm so often wrong. My mood changes, I get a new lease on my view of things, I pray for patience and to love my enemies, and then I come back. But at the time it was the truth, I really meant it and thought I'd never be back ever.Sincerely,
Faith

I'm sure many here view your post as mad, but it is right on the money. You spelled out how I have always felt but was never articulate enough to communicate it. It is hard to prove but any true conservative who has thought long and hard about these issues will know in their gut that you are absolutely right.Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.

Which is kind of the problem, isn't it? I regard conservatives as wrong; she and her acolytes regard liberals as traitors or potential traitors who need to be physically intimidated by the threat of execution. (Unless, of course, she is using that famous "hyperbole" again.)

How about you pray to stop seeing us as your enemies? We're not. We are people who disagree with you. Besides pointing out that you're wrong, no-one here has ever done anything to hurt you.

Here's an idea --- try knowing things with your brain instead of your gut. Oh, and if you find something "hard to prove" that's often a sign that it's not true.

Thanks FEY, I know most conservatives would agree with me. It's only among liberals that I come off as "mad." So polarized is this nation both sides see the other as raving idiots and lunatics.I don't know much about you but if you're young and you're in school and you have an academic interest in any of this stuff, I've been hoping and praying that the younger generation would get inspired to study history in great great depth from a Christian and Conservative worldview. American history, European history, world history, history of Science. And/or also study the sciences that are in the thrall of evolution. Greater knowledge would no doubt bring you greater ability to articulate your thoughts.

Well, not if they DO promote traitorous ideas that perhaps you don't recognize as such. Her whole statement was really a WAY of saying that college liberals promote traitorous ideas. That's the message. She gets that across by comparing them with a real traitor and suggests that perhaps executing him might act as a deterrent to any possible REAL traitorous inclinations among college liberals.Whether there are any such REAL inclinations among college liberals, I don't know, but there have been liberal/Leftist revolutionists in the past who have blown things up which is certainly a traitorous act, so why not? The Unabomber's history is kind of interesting too as I recall, his violent acts being an expression of some liberal ideas he'd picked up at university -- in the fifties rather than the sixties or later, interestingly.As for hyperbole I'd certainly class how she used the phrase "physical intimidation" as that, to stand for using the execution of a traitor as an example and a deterrent.But be that as it may, there ARE ideas on the liberal side that could fairly be classed as traitorous from a traditional understanding of American history, and she's nailed it. Some things can't just be politely treated as a mere difference of opinion.

No. Intuition is more often right than wrong. There are some things that go beyond mere investigation of obvious facts. The subconscious mind is more perceptive than the conscious mind. Given enough time and effort, intuition can be born out with evidence. If you look long and hard enough for the evidence, everything in faith's post can be shown to be more than likely if not proven.

That is just it; liberals in various power structures and media have managed to turn what was once considered traitorous by mainstream society into just another way of life and into something benign.Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.

That's well said. Things that were unthinkable even only a few decades ago are now considered normal and since some of them are subversive the new normal is a state of chronic political subversion and it's hardly recognized. Those of us who do recognize it suffer from ulcers and nightmares unless we keep a good grip on the Lord as we watch the nation go down.You DO say things articulately. As I've reviewed my own posts over the last page or two I see how I've been struggling to get my thoughts together on this subject. When I finally do then I sound articulate. Took a lot of half-baked verbiage to get there though and I'm not sure I've yet made the necessary points.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.