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Heathen Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined:
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quote: For example...?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17907 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2
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Hard to say, isn't it ? They could be referring to inter-racial marriage for all we know (illegal in a surprisingly number of U.S. States until 1967!)
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined:
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No. Intuition is more often right than wrong. There are some things that go beyond mere investigation of obvious facts. The subconscious mind is more perceptive than the conscious mind. Given enough time and effort, intuition can be born out with evidence. If you look long and hard enough for the evidence, everything in faith's post can be shown to be more than likely if not proven. Well, I guess this is why we're on opposite sides. I believe in things because there is evidence for them. You believe in things because of "the subconscious mind" and "intuition" and knowing things in your "gut" and you think that these are better than "mere investigation of obvious facts". Well then, I don't see what we can talk about. I put "mere investigation of obvious facts" ahead of my gut feeling. You put your gut feeling above "mere investigation of obvious facts". But the only way I can debate with you is by presenting "mere investigation of obvious facts". That's as far as I can go. To me, that is what argument means --- we investigate the facts. If the "obvious facts" mean nothing to you, then I am not sure that I can say anything to you. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined:
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That's well said. Things that were unthinkable even only a few decades ago are now considered normal and since some of them are subversive the new normal is a state of chronic political subversion and it's hardly recognized. Just to get this straight, so to speak, are you talking about gay marriage? If not, what are you talking about?
As I've reviewed my own posts over the last page or two I see how I've been struggling to get my thoughts together on this subject. When I finally do then I sound articulate. No. No you do not.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Well, not if they DO promote traitorous ideas that perhaps you don't recognize as such. But I can recognize treason. Treason is easy to recognize. Treason is not disagreeing with Ann Coulter.
Her whole statement was really a WAY of saying that college liberals promote traitorous ideas. Well, yes. Her whole statement was really a way of telling a stupid vindictive lie. If it is not true, which it isn't, then it is false, which it is.
Whether there are any such REAL inclinations among college liberals, I don't know, but there have been liberal/Leftist revolutionists in the past who have blown things up which is certainly a traitorous act, so why not? Well, up until 9/11 the worst terrorist act in the USA was the Oklahoma City bombing perpetrated by the conservative terrorist Timothy McVeigh. Your heroine Coulter said that her only regret about that act was that McVeigh didn't target the New York Times building. What similar atrocities have been committed by liberals and supported by liberal pundits?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1693 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Gee whillikers, foreveryoung, we've got a whole gaggle of the Thought Police on our trail now. I can't take the time to figure out what they're howling about right now, busy elsewhere and the threads keep multiplying, so I hope you can fend them off for a while. All I'd say is if they don't know what conservatives think by now, and need us to explain it all to them, they're sadly out of touch.
Perhaps I'd say something like: if it's "progressive" to you then it's most likely "subversive" to us. Forgive me if I have to duck out for a while. Back eventually no doubt to face the PC gang. (By the way this is SUPPOSED to be funny, so if you're going to wax indignant about it you're missing the point) Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined:
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By the way this is SUPPOSED to be funny ... But in fact it's sad and pathetic. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1716 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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It's to "physically intimidate" POTENTIAL TRAITORS, Crash. But she doesn't say "potential traitors", now does she? Again, we need to have this discussion based on her actual remarks, not what you wish she'd have said because it would be easier to defend. She said "liberals." Not "potential traitors."
And there is no "physical" anything going on, but somehow you treat it as if she'd advocated throwing you all in irons or something when she's only talking about executing traitors as an EXAMPLE. Yes. As an example to liberals. Not as an example to traitors, but to Coulter's legitimate ideological opponents. Why do you see nothing problematic with that?
Yes, I know you all don't see it that way, and are probably quite loyal Americans, but then what would be wrong with executing actual traitors as a possible deterrent to any possible actualizing of traitorous impulses in the minds of "college liberals?" What would be wrong with executing people to serve as "example" to your ideological, political opponents? Really, you have to ask? Think about turning the tables, for a second - ruminate on the idea of executing the Unibomber to serve as an example to people like you and Rush Limbaugh - and see if you can't spot why physical intimidation of your ideological opponents is inimical to American values.
If in fact there ARE no such actual traitorous impulses, great, then there's nothing to be deterred. Yes, that's sort of the point. So why is Coulter calling for the physical intimidation of liberals who aren't traitors?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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but I agree with her that there's plenty of traitorous talk among what she called "college liberals"
Can you provide an examples of this? ABE
Even BEING a Communist in America, where that ideology is in direct contradiction to the philosophical foundations of our nation, certainly can be thought of as traitorous in itself. How is it a direct contradiction? Why isn't a free market system? How is it traitorous? Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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It is hard to prove but any true conservative who has thought long and hard about these issues will know in their gut that you are absolutely right. So facts and reality have no bearing? How things feel in your "gut" is the ultimate arbiter? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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Intuition is more often right than wrong.
Bullshit.
If you look long and hard enough for the evidence, everything in faith's post can be shown to be more than likely if not proven.
Bullshit
The subconscious mind is more perceptive than the conscious mind.
Care to provide some research to support this? As always you have no evidence but think by asserting something enough times you can magically make it reality. Provide some evidence for these lame assertions. It is called put up or shut up.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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For example...? They have no examples. All they have is their "gut".Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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It is hard to prove but any true conservative who has thought long and hard about these issues will know in their gut that you are absolutely right. And that is a great summation of the problem; the fact that you claim there are true conservatives is where thinking stops.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1753 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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I was never aware of all the pitiful quotes made by AC. Going over some of it was really surprising. She goes beyond just "shock Jock" kind of stuff like Howard Stern would do. He can be a misogynist ass too. But his brand of "shock" is kind of like a sophomoric teen saying bad words to get a laugh. Ann Coulter is genuinely insipid.
Her vile virulent snipes do ring out as hateful and violent in nature. It is clear to me at least that anyone who agrees with her or would find her worthy to defend simply hates liberal as much as she. Which is ironic considering much of the conservative base is of a fundamentalist christian background supposedly against hate. Face it republicans you defend her because she says the things your thinking. You all clap eachother on the back and knowingly nod in your agreement of causing harm or wounds with words.But back off when some wingnut actually does act. Your able to divorce yourselves from this hatred by hiding behind a anorexic troll who is consumed with hate. She probably practices in the mirror her jibes. Rehearsed and honed a quiver full of hatred. Alas all hail the patron saint of acrimony."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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But be that as it may, there ARE ideas on the liberal side that could fairly be classed as traitorous from a traditional understanding of American history, and she's nailed it. Some things can't just be politely treated as a mere difference of opinion. If this is true, then you ought to be able to name some of these ideas. We should then be able to measure those ideas against the definition of traitorous and expose liberals for the farce that they are if they cannot simply agree with you.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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