Ann Coulter (Is she hateful?)

I'd need overwhelming evidence that TODAY the Society of Jesus has a goal of imposing Roman Catholicism on everyone and that they have a goal of re-instituting the Inquisition.Good luck.AbE:In addition you would need to provide overwhelming evidence that they had teh capability to do any such thing.You have read our Constitution haven't you?Edited by jar, : fix sub-title and add AbE:

I'd be completely convinced if you had a quote of the Pope saying he wanted to reinstate the inquisition. That would be the same as saying the U.S. wants to reinstate slavery because we had it in the 19th Century. Personally, I'd much rather see what YOU think constitutes evidence of it.

If this happened, which apparently it didn't, it couldn't have happened to a more suitable person. Here's what Coulter has to say about free speech: Again, I would ask, when she calls for the abolition of freedom of speech for her opponents, I would ask --- how is that "exposing" them? How is it "accurately calling them what they are"? She is merely calling for them to be stripped of the rights conferred on citizens by the founding fathers.

Actually, it did. I see that you cannot view reality without a distorted lens as well.

Apparently it didn't.http://blogs.ajc.com/...esuits-a-college-invite-is-rescindedUnless, of course, the College Republicans are lying, but do we have any reason to believe that? What "distorted lens"? I believe what the College Republicans say. If I am wrong, then the "distorted lens" is that a bunch of Republicans are lying to me. If they're telling the truth, I'm right.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

From Wiki:

By 1500, the Catholic Church had reached an apparently dominant position as the established religious authority in western and central Europe dominating a faith-landscape in which Judaism, Waldensianism, Hussitism, Lollardry and the finally conquered Muslims al-Andalus (the Muslim-dominated Spain) hardly figured in terms of numbers or influence. When the institutions of the Church felt themselves threatened by what they perceived as the heresy, and then schism of the Protestant Reformation, they reacted. Paul III (Pope from 1534 to 1549) established a system of tribunals, administered by the "Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Universal Inquisition", and staffed by cardinals and other Church officials. This system would later become known as the Roman Inquisition. In 1908 Pope Saint Pius X renamed the organisation: it became the "Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office". This in its turn became the "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith"[11] in 1965, which name continues to this day.

Doubt if they've burned many heretics lately but the organization is still around.

Ya know what, I think I could come up with evidence that they still have this goal, don't know about "overwhelming" by your standards, but it would take me a while because I've just been learning about all this myself. Contrary to subbie's remark, until recently I had no suspicion that the papacy was continuing its Counter Reformation in the present, or that the Jesuits have been in the forefront of that effort, OR that they are still serious about enacting the Inquisition (and by the way you'll want evidence for this too -- Hitler modeled the Holocaust on the Inquisition and I'm pretty sure I can dig up quotes for that, but not tonight). Anyway, it's all pretty new to me too.I thought I could find the necessary information in some books I have but I haven't located it yet. Will let you know when I have something.As for capability, I believe I said "when they have the power" and it is clear that they don't right now have the power.But from some things I've been hearing they're working on it through the European Union. Yup, A revived Holy Roman Empire with the Pope running things behind the scenes. The Fourth Reich. All part of the global plan that America will no doubt come under as well. They received quite a blow when they lost their centuries-old "holy" Empire to the Reformation, and then tried to revive it again in the Third Reich (well, what do you suppose the FIRST two "reichs" were anyway?)(I had this wrong at first, it was the Roman Empire itself that was the First Reich, the Holy Roman Empire that lasted from 962 to 1806 was the Second)I recommend that list of books for anyone who is interested in the history of these things. I've only read around in them myself.But this topic is getting away from the topic of this thread. Apparently the Pres of Fordham doesn't like Ann Coulter but supposedly the Republican club dropped her without his influence. Hey MAYBE it's true, no way to know for sure, all anyone has is the public statements.As for whether that Jesuit President is liberal or conservative, I think it's pretty telling when the epithet "hate speech" is trotted out. He may be conservative on some matters (or maybe not, you certainly proved nothing about this, just asserted it) but that phrase is a liberal red flag.Anyway, public statements about Rome aren't all that trustworthy either. I've learned that Wikipedia and no doubt other internet sources, is heavily "edited" in Rome's favor, oh not in any obvious way, they're too refined for that. And I've come to understand that books written since about 1920 on this subject aren't trustworthy, so most of the books on the list I gave are older. Not that there aren't honest Jesuits of course. At least one of the books was written by a Jesuit who found out what the organization is really all about.And by the way, you demand evidence of me for a casual statement I made for which I did at least provide a list of references, but did you offer evidence yourself for your statement that the Jesuits are conservative? Nope. Just bare assertion. And apparently you don't expect to have to produce evidence. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : to add signature, and to clarify stuffEdited by Faith, : correct what the three "Reichs" wereEdited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : add "Reich" to "The Fourth" and close a parenthesis.

Oh this Jesuit College is REALLY "conservative," ha ha:A typical liberal university with a typical list of liberal extracurriculars. No, there's nothing "conservative" about THIS Jesuit University, jar. But you didn't even try to produce any evidence. Here it is:

...and a conservative college would not explore those things?Do conservatives have no interest in socio-economic status?
Are conservatives uninterested in international concerns?
Are conservatives against social justice?
Do conservatives lack culture?Do you think that conservatives do NOT actively explore topics of diversity, including race and ethnicity, gender, culture, sexual identity, socio-economic status, religious orientation, ability, international concerns, social justice and oppression?What exactly are you claiming??Edited by Panda, : No reason given.Edited by Panda, : No reason given.Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

This is interesting. Your position is that because YOU do not know what the word means that the person who used it cannot know.What does this say about your thinking style, what are the implications?It could be that any concept not already understood (by you) cannot be understood and is therefor invalid.Parroting means mindlessly repeating what you have been exposed to with out proper understanding: it's what you have been accusing the science side here on EvC for some time.All the best.

Hi Faith, hope you are well!

Just barely back and hijacking a thread for your crazy already.Stay classy Faith. How about trying to get near the topic.

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But from some things I've been hearing they're working on it through the European Union. Yup, A revived Holy Roman Empire with the Pope running things behind the scenes. The Fourth Reich. All part of the global plan that America will no doubt come under as well. They received quite a blow when they lost their centuries-old "holy" Empire to the Reformation, and then tried to revive it again in the Third Reich (well, what do you suppose the FIRST two "reichs" were anyway?)

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That's pretty nuts. (Did you even realise that the Emperors of the Second Reich were Protestant ?)

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Anyway, public statements about Rome aren't all that trustworthy either. I've learned that Wikipedia and no doubt other internet sources, is heavily "edited" in Rome's favor, oh not in any obvious way, they're too refined for that. And I've come to understand that books written since about 1920 on this subject aren't trustworthy, so most of the books on the list I gave are older. Not that there aren't honest Jesuits of course. At least one of the books was written by a Jesuit who found out what the organization is really all about

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Might I suggest that books more than 80 years old might be somewhat outdated when it comes to the current organisation ?

Surely that couldn't happen, Doc!!!!!!

Here is my statement where I said that the Society of Jesus was conservative. Note that I did provide evidence, that the Jesuits were formed during the period of the counter-reformation and that they opposed the liberalism that was the Reformation. Also note that I was talking about the origin of the Society of Jesus.You can find the quote in Message 32.Now let's move on to you next post where you list what YOU see as liberal traits. You do understand that those traits you put in BIG letters are also the exact traits that Jesus exhorted us to follow?Are you saying that today's Conservatives support oppression, oppose religious orientation, oppose social justice?If so, then I agree with you, it does seem that today's Conservatives do support oppression, oppose religious orientation, oppose social justice.Or are you saying that today's Conservatives oppose even exploring, talking, discussing those subjects?If so, then I agree with you yet again, it does seem that today's Conservatives do oppose and fear discussing those subjects.Which brings us back to Ann Coulter, an avowed Conservative that most definitely exhibits those fears and does seem to oppose social justice.