States petition for secession

Oh I agree, I agree, why should you? For myself I'd like to divvy the whole nation up between "restrictionists" and "progressives" and let each section govern itself. I SO wish it were possible.

I know it's probably impossible, but I'm really serious, I'd love to hear ideas about how it might be possible somehow or other, perhaps laid out in stages.Secession of individual states may not be impossible if there's a general agreement that it would be a good idea -- agreed by that 2/3 majority ICANT keeps talking about for changing the Constitution perhaps, or 3/4 or whatever's best, so that could be a factor. Perhaps we "restrictionists" could set up a new capitol, perhaps in Texas, and just divide the governing of the nation between two locations before trying to physically divide the people.Anybody have any ideas?Why should such utterly different philosophical positions have to be continually in conflict with each other? We would get along much better if we didn't have to be subjected to the other side's political decisions.

There is no doubt that the conservative nation would thrive and the liberal collapse but we don't need to tell them that. They'll be happy to get rid of us and the feeling is mutual so let them find out the hard way.

I think we'd do fine if we separated. Take the scientists with you if they want to go. It would be easier on all concerned not to have the constant fighting.

There's no need to argue all this here. California is a great producer, it is also on the verge of total economic collapse. How you put all that together I don't know but I'm willing to give up California and all the blue states to be free of liberal ideology. I'd really like to hear ideas about how that could be made to happen.Ideally I'd want a CHRISTIAN state but I suppose bringing that about would be even harder than splitting red-blue. Much as a generally conservative mind set is far more desirable than the liberal, nevertheless I don't want to be governed by conservatives who deny Christ and insist on evolution either if it's possible to avoid it. What I'd like best of all is a nation governed as the original Puritans and Pilgrims governed theirs based on the gospel of Christ. Maybe at least one state within the new red region could be constituted that way.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I don't want Fox News because they are Catholic. They have some good conservative stuff, but my ideal is the Puritan and Pilgrim model, updated and modified as necessary of course, but completely Reformed Protestant. Anyone can live in my state if they are willing to submit to the Reformed Protestant governing principles, but they can't have any political power. Still hoping for some ideas about how to reorganize America to make us all happy.

I keep hearing they're on the verge of collapse, that's all I know. If they aren't, fine, I couldn't care less. It's liberal ideology I want to be free of. Any ideas how to bring that about?

Unfortunately most conservatives don't share my views on religion, they AREN'T Reformed Protestant. Catholicism ruled the Dark Ages, the Reformation pulled us out of them, but that's also something we shouldn't argue on this thread. Keep your ignorance of history, and your blasphemous snarky tongue and bless the blues with it.Real ideas about how to pull off a great divorce between the reds and the blues and accommodate various subgroups as well, still invited. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'm not interested in "advancing." Whoever came up with this bizarre notion that society must be continually "advancing?" To what? That's the tenet of Progressivism which is what the red region is to be free of. I want a STABLE society, a stable civilized CHRISTIAN society ruled by the gospel of Christ. Any ideas how to split the nation to make that possible?You can have your own region, I'm all for that. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes, splinter groups can be a problem. Nevertheless I'd like to ponder the possibilities. ONE Puritan state would be fine for starters. Perhaps there is a predominantly red state somewhere that would like to vote itself for the experiment.

There is nothing backwaterish or Amish-like about Reformed Protestantism, historically it is the REASON the west became so prosperous and advanced, although since you now define that concept to mean something else I just don't want to argue it, or any of the other redefined concepts with the prejudiced crazy people at EvC. I would just like to come up with some practical ideas on this thread that started out recognizing the desire of some states to leave this ideologically despicable Union and become independent.Maybe it WOULD be possible to settle some counties in the Bible Belt for a start. That's an idea.

Evolution. Which isn't an advance but since you think it is there's your answer.

Sorry, I was assuming you'd all like just as much to be free of conservatives and Christians as I would of you. RAZD was expressing something along those lines back in Message 58 which is what got me into this. If not I guess there is no solution to be had or that anyone wants to consider.It would be disruptive for everybody concerned you know. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The term "Christian" is terribly misused these days, alas.

Not a problem "getting along," just don't want to be GOVERNED by the liberal ideology or the Pope. Get the difference? Far more than you have any idea, that's for sure, although many of them might figure they are of more use among the heathen where they can be missionaries. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.