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RAZD Member (Idle past 1725 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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This topic is supposed to be about how it might be possible to rearrange the nation so that liberals and conservatives don't have to be ruled by each others' ideology. I got more specific about how I'd really like to live in a Christian state, not merely a conservative state. We could have Virtual States, where people choose their particular options. You could carry a red card that states you are a member of the religious conservative virtual state, thus exempting you from any and all social programs of the federal and state governments, your tax dollars do not support them and you get no benefits from them. I could carry a blue card that states I am a member of the progressive liberal virtual state, thus exempting me from any reactionary programs of the federal and state governments, my tax dollars do not support them and I get no benefits from them. At income tax time we tic off which programs we want to fund and which we do not want to fund. I get universal health care, expanded social security and minimal military spending You get no healthcare or social security and support military spending Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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You could carry a red card that states you are a member of the religious conservative virtual state, thus exempting you from any and all social programs of the federal and state governments, your tax dollars do not support them and you get no benefits from them. Sure. And the red card entitles you to prevent your gay neighbors from getting married and allows you to discriminate against them in the work place. It allows you to prevent other red card holders from having abortions. It also allows you to use federal funds to violate the establishment clause. You can have the police pick up your neighbors for reading Playboy. Of course the police let the perps go if they show their blue cards. The red card also allows you to have all the guns you want, but you cannot draw them on blue card holders except in self defense in a proportionate response. No guns at all for blue card holders. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1725 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Sure. And the red card entitles you to prevent your gay neighbors from getting married ... If they are redcarders, but not if they are bluecarders (and not in a redcard church).
... and allows you to discriminate against them in the work place. If it is a redcard workplace.
... It also allows you to use federal funds to violate the establishment clause. ... How so? It's not a government so much as it is an association, like Boy Scouts.
The red card also allows you to have all the guns you want, but you cannot draw them on blue card holders except in self defense in a proportionate response. No guns at all for blue card holders. So there would be no need for redcarders to draw on bluecarders? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1764 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Might be something to that Virtual State idea because it would free us from each other's ideology and from having to pay taxes to support it. Only you seem to imagine the same government in Washington. I do think we need different governments.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1725 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Might be something to that Virtual State idea because it would free us from each other's ideology ... Of course the ultimate initiation of this scheme would involve virtual reality equipment. Every day you get up and put on your goggles, and you see the world according to your version of reality. You don't see blue people, don't interact with them, just live in a virtual red world, just as I would not see red people, wouldn't interact with them, just live in a virtual blue world ... Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1764 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Na I don't want to not see or talk to the blues, most of my family belongs to that sorry camp. But I would like not to be subject to their politics or even get into discussions about it.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined:
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If people were allowed to change, they'd do so opportunistically, becoming blue when they need good government (when they're ill, for example) and red when they don't and don't want to pay for it.
If they weren't, that would also be something of a problem. Are you going to make someone suffer all his life for being red when he's eighteen (or whenever it is you get to choose)?
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Na I don't want to not see or talk to the blues, most of my family belongs to that sorry camp. Which members of your family have you disowned? Just interested.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
It also allows you to use federal funds to violate the establishment clause. ... How so? It's not a government so much as it is an association, like Boy Scouts. It is currently prohibited to operate public schools using public funds in which your science curriculum is designed to advance religious teachings. I'm proposing that people like Faith would want their red card to allow them to avoid such a restriction. I don't believe such a proposal to be any more workable than was the silly gun law stuff.
So there would be no need for redcarders to draw on bluecarders? Well, if you want to be able to shoot intruders like Trayvon Martin or Yoshihiro Hattori without a bunch of liberals trying to prosecute you, then you could not agree with that sentiment.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1725 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
It is currently prohibited to operate public schools using public funds ... But redcarders would be funding redcard association\private schools ... Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4083 Joined: Member Rating: 7.9 |
But I would like not to be subject to their politics or even get into discussions about it. Yet you continually insert yourself into areas that are specifically dedicated to such discussions. Like this one. How curious.The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
But redcarders would be funding redcard association\private schools ... If the schools are really private schools, then you don't need a card for that. But if they are actually public schools in a virtual state system, the virtual state is still subject to the 1st amendment. Many don't seem to be satisfied with the private option, and there are some disadvantages. Under the current system the schools in poor districts are subsidized by tax money from rich districts. The parents don't have to manage that distribution. The state handles it. But in such schools the 1st amendment prevents teaching what a red card holder wants taught. Anyone can of course send their kids to private parochial schools if they are willing to pay. Further the red carder is still forced to live in a society full of people taught real biology and possible even ways to avoid teen pregnancy that actually work. A "virtual" red card doesn't help with any of that. Further red staters are not completely monolithic in their views. Faith would want the super crimson, scarlet, infra-red card. Faith's wishes are to be surrounded by like minded people and not have to even deal with liberals. The virtual card system does none of that.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1764 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Not at all curious if you note the context of what I said. Don't want to discuss it with FAMILY, Rahvin, makes for family discord dontcha know. Don't want to be subject to liberal politics of course, no matter whose.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1764 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But in such schools the 1st amendment prevents teaching what a red card holder wants taught. This is one major reason I want out from under this government. The first amendment was intended to PROTECT a Christian's right to teach our children our Christian principles but it's been perverted into the exact opposite meaning. Bleagh. Now we've got exactly what it meant to prohibit, CONGRESS making laws against religious practice and expression, while the right that is not to be infringed is totally infringed. Not even Congress really, the Supreme Court usurping the place of Congress, making laws and calling it interpreting the Constitution. The Government anyway, encroaching on the very freedoms the amendment told it to keep its dirty paws off. Yeah, I really really want out from under this nightmare government. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1764 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Haven't disowned a one of them, why would you think I had?
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