States petition for secession

We could have Virtual States, where people choose their particular options.You could carry a red card that states you are a member of the religious conservative virtual state, thus exempting you from any and all social programs of the federal and state governments, your tax dollars do not support them and you get no benefits from them.I could carry a blue card that states I am a member of the progressive liberal virtual state, thus exempting me from any reactionary programs of the federal and state governments, my tax dollars do not support them and I get no benefits from them.At income tax time we tic off which programs we want to fund and which we do not want to fund.I get universal health care, expanded social security and minimal military spendingYou get no healthcare or social security and support military spendingEnjoy

Sure. And the red card entitles you to prevent your gay neighbors from getting married and allows you to discriminate against them in the work place. It allows you to prevent other red card holders from having abortions. It also allows you to use federal funds to violate the establishment clause. You can have the police pick up your neighbors for reading Playboy. Of course the police let the perps go if they show their blue cards.The red card also allows you to have all the guns you want, but you cannot draw them on blue card holders except in self defense in a proportionate response. No guns at all for blue card holders.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

If they are redcarders, but not if they are bluecarders (and not in a redcard church). If it is a redcard workplace. How so? It's not a government so much as it is an association, like Boy Scouts. So there would be no need for redcarders to draw on bluecarders?Enjoy

Might be something to that Virtual State idea because it would free us from each other's ideology and from having to pay taxes to support it. Only you seem to imagine the same government in Washington. I do think we need different governments.

Of course the ultimate initiation of this scheme would involve virtual reality equipment. Every day you get up and put on your goggles, and you see the world according to your version of reality. You don't see blue people, don't interact with them, just live in a virtual red world, just as I would not see red people, wouldn't interact with them, just live in a virtual blue world ...Enjoy

Na I don't want to not see or talk to the blues, most of my family belongs to that sorry camp. But I would like not to be subject to their politics or even get into discussions about it.

If people were allowed to change, they'd do so opportunistically, becoming blue when they need good government (when they're ill, for example) and red when they don't and don't want to pay for it.If they weren't, that would also be something of a problem. Are you going to make someone suffer all his life for being red when he's eighteen (or whenever it is you get to choose)?

Which members of your family have you disowned? Just interested.

It is currently prohibited to operate public schools using public funds in which your science curriculum is designed to advance religious teachings. I'm proposing that people like Faith would want their red card to allow them to avoid such a restriction. I don't believe such a proposal to be any more workable than was the silly gun law stuff. Well, if you want to be able to shoot intruders like Trayvon Martin or Yoshihiro Hattori without a bunch of liberals trying to prosecute you, then you could not agree with that sentiment.

But redcarders would be funding redcard association\private schools ...Enjoy

Yet you continually insert yourself into areas that are specifically dedicated to such discussions. Like this one.How curious.

If the schools are really private schools, then you don't need a card for that. But if they are actually public schools in a virtual state system, the virtual state is still subject to the 1st amendment.Many don't seem to be satisfied with the private option, and there are some disadvantages. Under the current system the schools in poor districts are subsidized by tax money from rich districts. The parents don't have to manage that distribution. The state handles it. But in such schools the 1st amendment prevents teaching what a red card holder wants taught.Anyone can of course send their kids to private parochial schools if they are willing to pay.Further the red carder is still forced to live in a society full of people taught real biology and possible even ways to avoid teen pregnancy that actually work. A "virtual" red card doesn't help with any of that.Further red staters are not completely monolithic in their views. Faith would want the super crimson, scarlet, infra-red card.Faith's wishes are to be surrounded by like minded people and not have to even deal with liberals. The virtual card system does none of that.

Not at all curious if you note the context of what I said. Don't want to discuss it with FAMILY, Rahvin, makes for family discord dontcha know. Don't want to be subject to liberal politics of course, no matter whose.

This is one major reason I want out from under this government. The first amendment was intended to PROTECT a Christian's right to teach our children our Christian principles but it's been perverted into the exact opposite meaning. Bleagh. Now we've got exactly what it meant to prohibit, CONGRESS making laws against religious practice and expression, while the right that is not to be infringed is totally infringed. Not even Congress really, the Supreme Court usurping the place of Congress, making laws and calling it interpreting the Constitution. The Government anyway, encroaching on the very freedoms the amendment told it to keep its dirty paws off. Yeah, I really really want out from under this nightmare government. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Haven't disowned a one of them, why would you think I had?