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Author Topic:   In Memoriam - Buzsaw
mike the wiz
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Message 75 of 109 (680776)
11-21-2012 7:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
11-13-2012 7:11 PM


Buz was a Jedi-Knight. A Yoda. He did not get ruffled by arguments or harsh opinions, in this respect you must now realise that your Father can never be turned to the dark side. (I am of course, speaking tongue-in-cheek, for those who never did understand that 80% of mike is humour. Buz wouldn't mind, after all, he was irrefutable!! All we bible-bashers are, ultimately!!)

Life is complicated, Ndugu. Buz was not a giant of intellectualism, but that does not matter at all, for the reality of the Creation is not dependent upon it's creatures' arguments. All that matters with the Lord, is faithfulness. As the scripture has said, His thoughts are higher than our thoughts.

I was going to say more and perhaps in the past I would have but I have already spoken to Buz's wife and we know what matters so I don't need to speak it here.

(I only came here for this comment, as requested by an EvC Admin)-- That particular admin who contacted me, it always struck me that that person treated Buzsaw with kindness, and neutrality/impartiality.


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mike the wiz
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Message 77 of 109 (680780)
11-21-2012 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Tony650
11-20-2012 11:01 AM


Re: Mike the wiz?
Hi Tony, only just noticed your message. Good to hear you again and I think your post was very good. Some good correct hit-terms concerning Buzsaw would be, "kindness", "noble" and "sincere".

I myself don't debate any more for several reasons.

- My own inability to switch off compuslive thoughts, that are fed by debating people (mainly). (not nice. ) --OCD--


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Message 78 of 109 (680786)
11-21-2012 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Coyote
11-13-2012 8:12 PM


Buz Light beer
Just reading some of the other members comments. I was thinking along similar lines to you - for example, does "mike the wiz" exist?

I would say, MOSTLY - no, except here at EvC. Mostly, although I say things I mean, etc.... is it really an honest portrayal of who I am? I would say it is an extremely condensed parody of who I am with no inhibitions. It is perhaps the mad man in me, if left to roam free, unchecked.

For example, in real life, would I argue with an atheist? No, because if an atheist was in the process of killing me I would in all likelyhood offer him a cup of tea.

You see my point with the silly example. Although people like me and Buz are pretty much hated here, a lot of that bad feeling is based on something that is perhaps only an effigy of us. Ultimately you hate what we stand for, but what we truly stand for is not what you really would hate.

Why would we throw ourselves into a lion's den? We know they will try and rip us apart. Ultimately I think people are worth it, even if it costs, "self".

People like Buz don't give up because ultimately he believed that there was a message of hope that was worth trying to put across, even to his own torment.

I think Buz would thank Percy for his time at EvC. I myself thank Percy. I joined EvC as a 22 year old who had never thought in his life, I actually didn't know I could think - I had been dependent on school teachers and "bosses" telling me what to do. So places like this were a kind of blank canvas to me. A canvas my ass was greeted with face to face pretty often, and rightly so. (I know, it's a neat little equivocation with the term, "canvas" but I wouldn't know what "equivocation" was if I had not come to EvC).

This forum switched my brain on, and said, "no- you also have a brain, you thought you had no brain, scarecrow, which is why you called yourself "wiz" as a sarcasm, to put yourself down - but God can use grey worthless clay, TOO."

I know, I know, I will still be hated, but as Dumbledore said, people find it easier to forgive people for being wrong than they do to forgive them for being right.

(This post is light-hearted, or at least, intended to be.)


I engaged in reductio ad absurdum at the request of my disfunctional compulsive contaminatrix that regurgitates anomolous fallacious recognition processes in random bouts of severe over-thought, thereby contained via the irrefutability cells in my left hemisphere. ~ mike the wiz

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Message 89 of 109 (683067)
12-07-2012 6:27 AM
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11-24-2012 4:48 AM


Re: Mike the wiz?
Tony, Hi - I don't visit EvC that much at all but just to say I have responded to your message in a private message, you might not log in and see the PM.

(Sorry if I don't get back to any PMs within a few weeks, due to business of my life with work, etc.. I will get back to people, if they message me.............eventually. )


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Message 92 of 109 (683211)
12-08-2012 6:12 PM
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12-08-2012 5:54 PM


"Now hope does not disappoint. Because the love of God has been poured out into our hearts, by the Holy Spirit, which was given to us."

I only feel sorry, genuinely, for those who have never experienced the Holy Spirit and don't even understand what He is.

It is coming for all of us. Are you really certain that you are right, and is it really worth being wrong?

"Trust in the Lord, and lean not on your own understanding."

"There is no counsel or knowledge against the Lord."

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Message 94 of 109 (683214)
12-08-2012 6:35 PM
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12-08-2012 6:14 PM


No, that wasn't a threat. And in a thread as important to me as this one, I wouldn't do that.

You see, what I meant was that we not only just believe what we have proclaimed, and then die.

No - we actually know it to be true, and believe it, and so death for you is the end, but not for me and Buz.

So when I say it's coming to us all, that is not the same as saying, "all atheists prepare for heat". To take what I meant as a threat is either a mistake or a very devious and twisted remark. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one.

It kind of shocked me when I read your response, as though I am a salesman with temporary illness. Could you have entertained for a moment, the possibility that I was 100% seriously posing that question? After all, all people on earth ask themselves those kind of questions, and at a time like this, people sometimes need reminding of those big questions.

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Message 95 of 109 (683220)
12-08-2012 6:59 PM


CK mentioned, "hope".

If anything, I thought the following scripture appropriate, knowing Buz believed the same scripture;

"Now HOPE does not disappoint".

I'm sure Buz agrees!

(Hope nobody thinks I was attempting a debate, I definitely wasn't, certainly not in this thread!, I apologise Admin, I did not know the person named, "CK" was actually Charles Knight, so I thought our conversation would be light hearted. I then hovered over the name "CK" and see that I perhaps was wrong to respond.)


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Message 103 of 109 (693133)
03-11-2013 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Omnivorous
03-09-2013 10:15 PM


Logically, and rationally, (that might be regarded as a grammatical tautology, I agree) you do KNOW certainly, that his body "feels nothing", which I concede to the level of 100%, but when it comes to whether Buz's spirit lives or does not, you have no knowledge, or you only have, "ignorance". So you are breaking into the realm of (Argumentum Ad Ignorantiam.)

Think about it, if revelation of God is down to revelation as the bible says, on God's terms, then internal knowledge, not objective studies, lead us to "know" what we can not see. "For we live by faith not by sight".

As Christians we can't technically, "know" according to a rational-standard, if you like, that we continue after death, but the problem we have is that if we make the following statement, then we are CERTAINLY, lying to you;

"I don't know God's presence and reality in my life."

You can see our predicament.

Here's the logic table for you;

1. Atheist = has no revelation under "internal knowledge"
2. Atheist = has no objective data under "objective knowledge" (science and logic offer NOTHING because of their own impartial rules)
3. Theist Christian = has revelation through internal knowledge.
4. Theist Christian = has no objective data under "objective knowledge" (science and logic offer NOTHING because of their own impartial rules)

So according to the bible, we can conclude with inductive value, that the Christian, to some level, can "know" something, but that biblically, an atheist certainly can't "know" anything, as he has no data, either objective or subjective.

Of course, the bible also says there is evidence of the creation, I doubt this comes under, "proof", but rather it comes under confirmation evidence, as a consistent tally, in inductive reasoning. (For example, laws, order and design are consistent with the Creation we are told of, if perhaps not provable evidences for technical reasons that mean little to me, naturally.)

So with the very greatest excellence, on behalf of Buzsaw's name, I am assured, through revelatory knowledge, that he is feeling, and feeling pretty damn good at that! Would you DESPISE this, Omni, if it be true? Whereas you only have personal ignorance. Can you appreciate why we would find no value in your assurance? Because you are like a man who is telling us that we will be fine if we jump off the cliff, because you are assured there is no such thing as gravity. That can only be either or both, ignorance/arrogance.

I know it seems highly valuable to you, your assurance subjectively, but as you can see it is based on either arrogance through subjective complacency or ignorance, based on the common ignorance of all men.

Of course my previous "Christian" comments were deleted, so it is likely this post will be deleted, and all of your posts. But if I did not have my say, it would be allowed to continue, so I say it is preferable to speak, on the whole, in that they can't delete me and not delete the previous off-topic rants, as that would be a blatant double standard, even according to their own Admin-rules.

P.S. Of course, in the rational sense, if I really am dust after death, I can see that you would not mean that as a disrespect, in that it would just be a fact. Personally I would prefer an END to me, in that it is an advantage over personal pain, which you can suffer if you live and which seems to have been, by and far, more prevailent in my own life more than anything else. In that sense, atheism does not scare me. Although I don't want to END because, "God has set eternity in the heart of man". I can't deny this, or I would be a liar, and I am told that all of my afflictions are not worthy to be compared to the glory that will be revealed in me. So we hold on to faith, as a far more courageous undertaking than your skepticism, an easy game any man of any intelligence can play..

At least Crashfrog is honest - he always said that he had nothing to offer me with atheism. By and large I find "nothing" in it, although those who have the affliction seem to come under "pride" in that they MUST be god, they MUST dictate truth, they MUST be correct, it MUST be their way otherwise you will be insulted, personally attacked. I suppose in a way it is a kind of psychological insecurity of some sort, perhaps? I mean - why would atheists feel the need to disrespect a dead Christian anyway? Are you saying that somehow, even now, Buz grates on you in some way, because of the truth he stood for?

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