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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3996 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: |
Rather, national debts gradually become smaller and smaller percentages of GPD(sic) by growing the economy. A healthy economy is how a national debt is "paid down," not by running surpluses. I got to "sic" Percy! Or perhaps that's the French version of GDP. The above quoted is probably true, but it kind of sounds like a Ponzi scheme to me. A growing economy seems to require a growing population and especially a growing use of resources. To keep thing going, we need to ever produce more crap. Somewhere down the road there's going to be an implosion??? Moose Edited by Minnemooseus, : Typo "Poczi" fixed. "IF YOU DON'T WANT POLITICS GETTING INTO CRIMINAL TRIALS, DON'T LET CRIMINALS GET INTO POLITICS" - Moose Professor, geology, Whatsamatta UEvolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien "Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable." - John Kenneth Galbraith It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. - Paul Krugman (as stolen from Chiroptera's signature) "My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes" - Ronald Reagan (1984) "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3996 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined:
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Minnemooseus writes in Message 423: A growing economy seems to require a growing population and ESPECIALLY a growing use of resources. You didn't respond to the part that I've now "bolded". So the per capita GDP is also growing. Which means the that per capita GDConsumption is also growing. So the economy is based on ever growing use of resources to support ever growing production and consumption (and waste disposal). Over growing production and consumption. Wallowing in production and consumption far beyond practical needs. A lot of production of what amounts to landfill bound waste. In medicine there's a term for uncontrolled and excessive growth - CANCER. We operate in a cancer economy. Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3996 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: |
But that is how economies work. I am not sure a moral judgement is helpful in this conversation. So, thrash the Earth, if it keeps the economy working? I guess that also includes not being concerned about global warming / climate change.
Also, nations and economies are not analogous to human bodies. Your statements about cancer seem to be similar to the use of the term "social darwinisn" But the functions of humanity does seem to be a disease inflicted upon the Earth's resources and ecology. Maybe relevant? -Behavioral sink - Wikipedia This Old Experiment With Mice Led to Bleak Predictions for Humanity’s Future Escaping the Laboratory: The Rodent Experiments of John B. Calhoun& Their Cultural Influence Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3996 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: |
So, thrash the Earth, if it keeps the economy working? I guess that also includes not being concerned about global warming / climate change.
Nice strawman. Not worth responding to. You're denying that keeping the GDP ever growing does not have a severe adverse affect on the Earth's ecology?
But the functions of humanity does seem to be a disease inflicted upon the Earth's resources and ecology.
Do you have a proposal to deal with this or just going to bitch? I see a problem. I don't see a solution. I think the Earth's ecology is going down the toilet (aka "is fucked"). I have no children. My little branch of the human tree is not going to be involved. Thoughts and prayers to your descendants. Moose ADDED BY EDIT - Quoting myself from above:
You're denying that keeping the GDP ever growing does not have a severe adverse affect on the Earth's ecology? I now see I made a huge blunder in how I phrased that - In effect, the "denying" and "not" functioned as a double negative, making the statement to say the opposite of what I intended. It should have been:
You're denying that keeping the GDP ever growing does have a severe adverse affect on the Earth's ecology? or
You're saying that keeping the GDP ever growing does not have a severe adverse affect on the Earth's ecology? Edited by Minnemooseus, : ADDED BY EDIT -
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3996 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: |
I'm curious about what Elizabeth Warren says about gold and silver. I searched and found nothing. I'm not going to do it, but you might explore what Warren Buffet (just realized the "name in common") thinks about investing in gold. My guess is that any WB gold investment is in gold mining companies stock. Moose Edited by Minnemooseus, : Blotched quote box formatting and didn't bother previewing.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3996 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined:
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I'm curious about what Elizabeth Warren says about gold and silver. I searched and found nothing. I'm not going to do it, but you might explore what Warren Buffet (just realized the "name in common") thinks about investing in gold. My guess is that any WB gold investment is in gold mining companies stock. Moose OK, I did it a bit. Does Warren Buffett Invest In Gold? - Dated April 19, 2024
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quote: Seems to agree with my previous message. Moose"IF YOU DON'T WANT POLITICS GETTING INTO CRIMINAL TRIALS, DON'T LET CRIMINALS GET INTO POLITICS" - Moose Professor, geology, Whatsamatta UEvolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien "Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable." - John Kenneth Galbraith It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. - Paul Krugman (as stolen from Chiroptera's signature) "My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes" - Ronald Reagan (1984) "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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