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Tangle
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Message 27 of 119 (887220)
07-26-2021 3:22 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by ringo
07-25-2021 3:27 PM


Re: Getting Plugged Back In
Ringo writes:

It says nothing. Tell us what it says.

I resisted watching it, I mean why would an atheist watch a video about 'love' and the 'holy bible' promoted by a fundie loonie?

But it was short, I was bored and I need to hear what these poor deluded people are being indoctrinated with from time to time.

It's just about Jesus being love and instead of all the deluded meeting together they need to go out into the world and recruit more deluded people into their mad cult.

Same old stuff.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 32 of 119 (887229)
07-26-2021 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Phat
07-26-2021 3:50 AM


Re: Untangling a bored fisherman
This IQ thing seems to be a bit of a chip-on-the-shoulder thing for a lot of fundie posters here. Mike the Waz is very fond of pronouncing his cleverness. I presume he does that because it's hard to guess from his posts.

Believers are probably as intelligent on average as the general population, though atheists tend to be above average. You're not particularly smart Phat so don't get carried away with yourself. But it's not IQ that's your problem; it's your thinking skills - they're generally absent.

One of the most evidence-driven people I ever met was Professor Sir Anthony Bottoms (yes, really!)' professor of criminology at Cambridge University. Speaking to him was an intellectual minefield, he had a mind like a trap and you had to weigh up every word you said to him and justify your assertions with supporting evidence. A very, very clever man.

But he was also a believer and he threw every rational thought away when it came to his beliefs. I could tie him up in knots without breaking into a sweat. Very odd. He compartmentalised his belief from his rational mind..

I'll bet the farm that I'm right about the gold and silver and an eventual dollar collapse within ten years. As for Jesus? He loves you even if you don't believe in Him and He is still working on me. [/end lecture]

If you had a farm I'd take the bet. You guys are ALWAYS wrong with your doom, doom, doom.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 44 of 119 (887242)
07-26-2021 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Phat
07-26-2021 1:53 PM


Re: Untangling a bored fisherman
Phat writes:

Why is it that the Jesus in the book was usually the one tieing everyone else up in knots and getting them to think whereas nearly all of His followers themselves get tied up in knots when confronting a rationally minded man?

Because the authors of the myth made it that way. You can't portray an idiot Jesus and hope to get people to believe in him can you? He has to be a superhero.

I would think that you would argue back and say that the second commandment is the important one and the first one is mythos. It would be interesting which of you would tie the other up in a knot at that point.

I could tie him up in knots because he hadn't made any attempt at all to research the historicity and accuracy of the bible, something he wouldn't dream of not doing in his own subject area. He just swallowed the thing whole.

As for your question, of course the first part is total nonsense and the second part is simply plagiarism (of the golden rule).


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 49 of 119 (887274)
07-29-2021 3:20 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Phat
07-29-2021 2:23 AM


Re: Untangling a bored fisherman
Phat writes:

Are you seriously suggesting that the authors made up the characters from scratch?

No. There were plenty of real protagonists, ancient stories and rumours around to create a mythology without having to invent one. Making up an entire mythology from scratch was not necessary and isn't what happened. The Jesus myth evolved from Old Testament stories. The stories then evolved through to New Testament into the Qur'an. (And arguably also into the Book of Mormon.) All man made.

At worst, they used poetic license to exaggerate the real character whom they were describing but to be honest,

Yup. Though more than poetic.

I don't even believe that!

We all know what you believe Phat.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 58 of 119 (887313)
07-30-2021 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Phat
07-29-2021 10:23 AM


Re: Untangling a bored fisherman
Phat writes:

And we all know what you believe.


You've proved over and over that you really don't.

Your explanation is utter bullshit. Sorry, but I see no more substance in your explanation than you do in my beliefs. Im calling you out. What so-called expert or group of experts rationally concluded what you present? Why should their conclusion be taken seriously? I want names and evidence.

Well there's a a group of people called Jews. They have a book called the Torah (That's the Old Testament to you Christians) which predicts the Messiah. The Jews are still waiting for him, they reckon that your Jesus is just one of the many failed prophets.

So a thousand years after the Jewish oral traditions and about 500 years after something got written we have a bunch of Jews trying to make Jesus into the Messiah of the book. Unfortunately, he failed - as was recorded in your book.

Having failed, people still needed a Messiah and hence Mohammed was invented. They recognise Jesus as a a prophet but not a god.

Mormonism, same god different day. Jesus is the head of their religion but believe that the Christians got the story thereafter wrong. So Smith wrote his own, very different version. guided by god (of course).

That's the synopsis. They're all man made and they're all of their time. You just believe one version of one of the many myths in the same tradition.

As for references, just read the Wikis and follow the sources from there.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 100 of 119 (888703)
09-29-2021 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Phat
09-29-2021 7:21 AM


Re: Production Backs The Dollar
Phat writes:

Believe it or not, I'm no dummy. Ask those who know me well.


You need to stop making these kind of comments, no-one else seems to feel the need to. It's likely to have the reverse effect than what you were hoping for.

For what it's worth, I doubt anyone thinks you stupid, but you are very, very poor at thinking rationally.

It is a skill and it quite often has to be learned; it's not particularly intuitive. In fact it's the opposite. Your dependence on beliefs and "gut feelings" to argue here just gives it away.

Mike the Wizz is a perfect example of someone who is probably very intelligent but totally misapplies it; really twists his intelligence out of shape. Faith was also pretty smart but simply could not be impartial.

To be useful, intelligence has to be applied rationally otherwise it becomes quite dangerous.

quote:
(Though I *do* get insecure around here at times. )

That should be telling you that maybe you're missing something about thinking.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 113 of 119 (888766)
10-03-2021 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Phat
10-03-2021 10:36 AM


Re: Production Backs The Dollar
quote:
None of you are finance majors as far as I know.

I have a Master's degree in Business and spent a half a lifetime in commercial finance. Does that count?

If so, trust me, unless Jesus actually does talk to you about gold bars, you haven't a clue.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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