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Phat
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Message 121 of 171 (889082)
11-01-2021 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Percy
06-23-2021 9:22 AM


Re: The Pandemic Accelerated My Health Problems
A belated thanks for trying to get my attention 4 months ago. This is my last chance. I know that I talk about myself a lot here at your Forum, but I will keep you guys updated on my health. I think I can do it with God's help, as well as the Diabetes and Endocrinology Center in Englewood, Colorado. Stay tuned.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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nwr
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Message 122 of 171 (889085)
11-01-2021 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Phat
11-01-2021 8:27 PM


Re: Phats Health Update (November 1st,2021)
The only point I will hold on to that I honestly feel that you guys don't understand is that God is real and alive through Jesus Christ.

I understand that you feel that way. I went through that stage at one time, until I realized that it was all psychology. But I don't try to talk you out of it. You are entitled to your beliefs.

You won't see me post here as much as I need to fully focus on my own health.

Good.

I also plan on praying more every day.

I hope you won't allow that to give you false reassurances.

Arguing about whether or not the dollar will crash and whether or not Gold and Silver will rise seems rather unimportant to me today. The only number that matters to me at this point is my A1C.

I'm glad you now see that.

I am a political moderate and I do not agree with Democratic Principles if they make me give my money to either National or Global causes.

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars, and unto uncle Sam that which is uncle Sam's.

Best wishes for your health.


Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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AZPaul3
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Message 123 of 171 (889090)
11-01-2021 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Phat
11-01-2021 8:27 PM


Re: Phats Health Update (November 1st,2021)
I don't mean to pry, cept actually I do, but I can't help wondering how this is getting so bad. This stuff is controllable with meds. Do you not take any?

These guys want you to go back to the Endocrinologist. You've had this problem quite some time. You've been there and left? No follow up? By them or you?

Too much reveal but fuck it. I'm pre-diabetic. A1C is 5.6. I have kept it controlled with diet, some poor attempts at exercise and no ... no meds. My drugs are for heart issues because, yes I eat pretty healthy as far as blood-sugar control stuff but it's the how much I eat that gets MY ass. That and salt. Do you know how many salt shakers I don't have anymore? All of them!

What I know is that if I cannot keep this pre-diabetic thing under control I will be on even more drugs. If my A1C is this close to requiring a drug protocol then you are waaay over that limit.

Don't answer but do you have a regular doctor? Are you on drugs? Why the hell not?!

Have you run away to one of them "God will heal me cults"? Come home, Phat.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 124 of 171 (889091)
11-02-2021 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by AZPaul3
11-01-2021 10:46 PM


Re: Phats Health Update (November 1st,2021)
My Aic was 5.7, but get this...

I ate a meal...

Blood sugar about 180 n hour later.

About 130 almost 2 hours later

30 minutes later...

I was at a 66 sugar level.

Same pattern. Over and over again.

I drink lots of soda. Eat a lot. Constantly.

Aic means little.

(Haven't gotten a sugar test in 4 to 5 years though. Except a 171 sugar level right after I ate lots of donuts and drank myself into a head injury, which put me into the hospital for a few unconscious days. Nevermind that)

5 years ago, I would as always be at 70 after a 1.5 to 2 hour fast. But a high Aic.

Dont trust the Aic.


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 125 of 171 (889092)
11-02-2021 2:45 AM
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11-01-2021 8:27 PM


Re: Phats Health Update (November 1st,2021)
Just wait long enough to eat and you will be in a 65 to 70 sugar level.

Everyone gets down to this level if they wait long enough to eat.

Ask if anything is permissible (like smokes or anything to keep you from eating).

It is that simple.


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Percy
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Message 126 of 171 (889093)
11-02-2021 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by Phat
11-01-2021 8:27 PM


Re: Phats Health Update (November 1st,2021)
Replying to both Message 120 and Message 121.

Phat writes:

My diabetes is out of control.

Why is that not a surprise? You've been acting delusional for months now. Why would you think your delusional behavior is limited to just gold, government authoritarianism and the national debt? You've got to assume that you're delusional in all aspects of your life.

Do not entertain any of your own ideas about how to treat yourself. Do not listen to yourself at all. Everything you do should be under a doctor's advice and orders. Do this or you will die after losing a limb or two.

I'm going to beat a dead horse and remind you that you have nearly zero ability to make connections between ideas and facts. Almost everything you believe is what appeals to you, not what's based in fact. You only believe factual things that immediately beat you over the head if you go against them. If you somehow came to believe your TV would still work after being unplugged, you would immediately be disabused of this silly idea. Or if you somehow came to believe stoves aren't hot, you would immediately be disabused of this silly idea.

But taking your medications, monitoring your blood sugar, and eating appropriately does not provide immediate feedback. It's as if when you unplugged the TV it took a couple years before it stopped working. In the months after unplugging it you might come to believe that your TV really doesn't need to be plugged in, because the feedback wasn't immediate. And so in the exact same way, when you ignore your medication and don't check your blood sugar and don't eat appropriately and yet you still feel much the same after a few months, you come to believe that diabetes care isn't really that important. But, as is true of almost all your ideas, you'd be wrong. Dead wrong.

The delay between your self-abuse and your death was at one time decades, but it has now caught up to you and you now have just a couple years. If you can turn this around you might live a couple more decades, if you're lucky, but if not then, well, don't bother registering for the 2024 election.

You are not competent to run your own life. You're probably not even competent to follow the advice of doctors, but that's still your best hope, unless you can afford to hire a full time nurse named Megadeath who's as scary as her name.

You will not be with us two years from now. I hope you prove me wrong.

I also plan on praying more every day...I think I can do it with God's help...

You Christians constantly remind me of the joke of the devout believer caught in a flood who as the waters rise declines assistance from the police, a rowboat, and a helicopter, saying each time that the Lord would protect him. God expresses surprise when the man shows up in heaven the next day, saying he didn't understand how the man could have drowned since he'd sent the police, a rowboat and a helicopter. You're going to turn up in heaven and God will be flabbergasted, sputtering about making available to you for years the full depth and breadth of modern diabetic medicine.

While in college I met a girl who had Type I diabetes. She was attending nursing school, and she graduated and became a nurse, and we remained friends. Being in the health field she was acutely aware of all the dangers of diabetes and took scrupulous care of herself. She was one of the early adopters of the diabetes pump, having started using one back in 1979. Despite how well she cared for herself she died at age 47 from complications of diabetes, leaving behind a husband and two sons.

There, I've beaten this dead horse to smithereens now.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 127 of 171 (889094)
11-02-2021 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Phat
11-01-2021 8:33 PM


Re: The Pandemic Accelerated My Health Problems
Do not listen to anyone telling you your A1C is unimportant.

You and LNA and Marc and Christian7 and Michael MD are members of a large class of people who judge truth by how clearly and effectively it was communicated, how certain and confident someone seems, how well it aligns with what they already believe, and the effectiveness of its emotional appeal.

A couple examples. This sounds good, right:

"Mark my words, this election was stolen. We're going to prove it in court, and then those lying, thieving Democrats will get what's coming to them and rot in prison. Our country will be free again."

Or how about this:

"Mark my words, the Democrats are bankrupting our country. Our national debt is growing at $5 billion a day, and it's our children who are going to suffer for it and pay the price. If we don't want our country run into the ground then we have to kick the Democrats out, and then our country can become great again."

Nice, huh. Anyone can write garbage like this, it's easy, and the "likes" pile up much faster when you write stuff like this than when you write true things like, "As a proportion of GDP there is nothing scary about our national debt." Doesn't really get the blood boiling like the other stuff, does it? And when one's subconscious is roiled with worry about one's health problems, it really helps tamp it down if you can distract yourself by getting worked up over fictional crises.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Grammar.


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AZPaul3
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Message 128 of 171 (889096)
11-02-2021 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by LamarkNewAge
11-02-2021 2:45 AM


Re: Phats Health Update (November 1st,2021)
It is that simple.

You really are that much a fucking idiot? There is so much more to diabetes control than keeping candy out of your face. Diabetes can be a severely debilitating disease requiring expert medical attention to forestall death.

We have seen some stupid shit in these pages and this is right up there with the worst.

Like believing a gun loaded with blanks can't hurt you if you point it up against your head and pulled the trigger. Like coaxing a child to drink that bottle of bleach. Dozens of harmful and deadly covid crap cures.

This is an irresponsible, dangerously ignorant claim put forward by a fool.

LNA should be ashamed for spreading dangerous, not just misinformation, but fatally dangerous advice on a par with intent to cause deliberate harm.

Anti-vax stupidity in the diabetes crowd.

Percy,

LNA's stance is fatally dangerous, not just for Phat but for any others lacking an understanding of the disease itself.

Sanction is called for. This type of dangerously fatal advice, spoken out of ignorance or not, should have no place in this forum.

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Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AnswersInGenitals
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Message 129 of 171 (889103)
11-02-2021 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by LamarkNewAge
11-02-2021 2:37 AM


Re: Phats Health Update (November 1st,2021)
LNA writes:

Dont trust the Aic.

You’re absolutely right, LNA. Don’t trust the aic. Aic = American International College; Advanced Industrial Computer; or maybe: Akaike information criterion

Aic = 2k - 2 ln(L), where k = number of estimated parameters in the model, and L = maximum value of the likelihood function for the model.

However, anyone with serious diabetes and high A1C should definitely learn how to properly track this diagnostic and understand what it means (and should probably also know how to spell it).


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 130 of 171 (889105)
11-02-2021 9:22 PM


My comment on the A1C test was relative to AzPaul's comment.
He said that a 5.6 A1C reading was indicative of a developing diabetes disease.

My point, to AzPaul, was that the A1C reading can simply mean that you eat all day.

I was not saying that constant sugar spikes will not give you "enough" hours of high sugar levels that sugar will not - for example - grind your artery walls to the point that your cholesterol levels wont spike, via the resulting inflammation, to clot - in an effort to repair the damaged vessel's walls. A blood clot can cause dreadful events.

(My comment to Phat was that he probably needs a predictable dietary routine. I would say he needs to eat roughly the same food every day. And at the same time. I would highly recommend that he eats only 1 to 2 meals a day. If he works 8 to 4, then eat a big breakfast, and then a lunch (whatever size). Skip eating anything after lunch. But insulin use will require trial and error, due to artificial insulin causing diverse sugar level issues while discovering the ideal dietary routine.

Phat is in such dreadful shape, that he should not be too fearful of "low sugar", but that is a relative comparison.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 131 of 171 (889106)
11-02-2021 9:33 PM
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11-02-2021 7:15 PM


Re: Phats Health Update (November 1st,2021)
Unless you know alot about which exact foods do WHAT to your sugar levels, just assume that ANY eating will shot you sugar up for hours, perhaps many hours.

Potatoes shoot up some people's sugar levels massively. Most people have fairly low sugar spikes from the fiber and nutrients in potatoes. White rice, absent fiber, can contribute massively to night heart attacks.

The Hershel Walker diet ( just in morning) works wonders against sugar.

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AZPaul3
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Message 132 of 171 (889107)
11-02-2021 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by LamarkNewAge
11-02-2021 9:22 PM


Re: My comment on the A1C test was relative to AzPaul's comment.
My point, to AzPaul, was that the A1C reading can simply mean that you eat all day.

No, you stupid ass. A1C is a 3-month average of blood sugar levels.

When over 6% for that long can be dangerous and cascades other issues through the body, like circulatory, nervous system, eye sight.

In too many people, LNA, sugar metabolism faults, for a whole range of reasons spanning nature-to-nurture.

Your dangerously errant view is simplistic, clinically uninformed and physically dangerous to lurkers with problems looking, desperately, for answers. You don't know what you're talking about.

Now, PLEASE, shut the fuck up!

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 133 of 171 (889109)
11-02-2021 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by AZPaul3
11-02-2021 10:15 PM


Re: My comment on the A1C test was relative to AzPaul's comment.
What is misleading about A1c sugar

I put that into google

(I have never researched the issue before; research that is, including online reading. BUT A TWIST: except I had to literally buy testing devices from diabetics, once I found out what A1c was, about 6 to 7 years ago. I also went to some friendly places, for finger prick tests )

My Google search found doctor opinions. Many.

See :

Why hemoglobin A1c Is Not a Reliable Marker

By Chris Kresser

2016

Talk to me once you learn a bit. AZPaul

(I admit that I don't know exactly why the A1c is so misleading )

(But it is)


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 134 of 171 (889112)
11-03-2021 2:42 AM


AzPaul says a 5.6 A1C points toward future diabetes. I suspect his evidence is ZERO
I would like to see the percentage of the population that has diabetes.

I would like to see a breakdown of the population with respect to the percentage of people who have what exact A1C.

(This would be a start of AzPaul demonstrating he can actually hold a genuinely credible debating position)

(I must edit yo point out that this would STILL be just a basic start for AzPaul. Big for him, but very basic for those who are critically minded, and want to dig deeper into the relevant research)

(I ask that Percy foes not continue to ruin discussions with his trademark canards. Leave the straw men out of this discussion - truthfully, the fake projections have already nearly derailed the actual issues)

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Message 135 of 171 (889116)
11-03-2021 8:57 PM


Diabetics have to fear the insulin bringing sugar levels to fatally low levels.
I wonder how difficult it is for Phat to bring sugar levels, not just lower, but to achieve the balance.

I ask Phat more questions.

Do you have any "predictable" foods that raise your sugar levels to a consistent level? Do you know what the right amount of insulin is for certain meals?

How late do you eat?

What has your doctor said about the cause of sugar spikes? Is he afraid to prescribe larger amounts of insulin due to fears that it could bring your sugar to dangerously low levels?

Do you consider it dangerous to take insulin while you fast?


  
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