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No it is not Bishop Ussher, it is the Bible. We can all add up the numbers, we don't need Bishop Ussher although his calculations are probably the most trustworthy.And if you put dinosaurs back before human beings you deny the Biblical revelation that death entered the Creation because of the disobedience of Adam and Eve.Pat Robertson also thinks Roman Catholicism is Christian. So much for Pat Robertson.

You're so predictable, jar. "Sorry" yourself: So you can have Pat over for coffee and congratulate him for his betrayal of the Protestant Reformation in considering Rome who murdered millions of Bible believers down the centuries as "Christian" as so many history-challenged "Protestants" are doing these days. But the Reformers all agreed that Catholicism was Antichrist, not Christian in the slightest but the opposite. Sad how that has been obscured and buried these days. Not that there aren't some individual Catholics who may be Christian -- MAYBE, it's hard inside that institution where the rules are mostly man-made, and when Catholics DO begin to understand the gospel and some of the history of their murdering "Church" they usually exit speedily. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Uh huh, dictionaries can lie, they can be written by propagandists. The Protestant Reformation didn't just happen for no reason, and it specifically rejected Rome as a pretender to Christianity, and the papacy as Antichrist, which means both denier of Christ and replacer of Christ. This history has been obscured over the last century or so.IN a way all you really need to do is picture the hierarchy of Rome in its expensive finery, its robes of scarlet and purple and ornaments of gems and the Pope's tiara and those bizarre fish-head mitres to recognize that this religion has NOTHING to do with the Biblical Christ.

I'm not holding individual Catholics responsible for anything. Most Catholics know very little about the history of these things.The Roman Church as an institution, the Vatican, the papacy, still adheres to the same policies they always had. Nothing has changed except that the prevailing attitudes have been against their implementing them since the Protestant Reformation, though they've been regaining ground in recent years. The Council of Trent cursed basic Protestant belief, they've never rescinded that, the policies of the Inquisition are still adhered to. The inquisition wasn't just accidental history caused by some renegade Popes, this is OFFICIAL Catholic doctrine I'm talking about that gets revived whenever they have the power to revive it.And people keep saying Protestants did the same to Catholics but nobody shows me where that occurred. I'm aware of the Peasants Uprising in Germany but that was more political than religious. I'm aware of Calvin having Servetus executed for denying the Trinity. I'm aware of nineteen people who were executed in the Salem Witch Trials before the CLERGY put a stop to the hysteria. The Irish Catholic-Protestant wars can be demonstrated to have been fomented by the Catholics and in most cases the Protestants have been on the defensive. What exactly are you talking about?ALL offenses are wrong, in any case of course, but there is no comparison. Tens of MILLIONS of Bible believers were tortured and killed by the Inquisition. I know that number is denied, thanks to propagandists who get into Wikipedia and the like, so I'll have to find sources for it, but it's well known outside the propaganda circuits.Again, this is about the INSTITUTION, the Vatican, the Papacy, not Catholics themselves.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Except for the Catholics who are conservative who pretty much run Fox News.I guess I can name Protestant Reformers galore who believed and taught what I'm saying and you'll still attribute it all to ME personally? Weird.

Oh Pat Robertson unfortunately IS in line with other "evangelicals" on both Genesis and Catholicism, these are positions he really does subscribe to as do others.Yes I've tried to do the calculations, didn't spend a lot of time at it. It's hard to keep the different dates of births and deaths lined up correctly, but I assume it's possible if you have the patience for it, which I don't, which is why I defer to Bishop Ussher. In any case it's AROUND 6000 years by ANYBODY's calculations and not anywhere near the Old Earth explanation for the dinosaurs.

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Fine, if you can account for all those billions of years as occurring AFTER the Fall, which brought death into the Creation.

"Microevolution" has been known for millennia. It's just the normal variation of all living things from generation to generation, built into the genome and played out through sexual recombination. It acquired the name because of the theory of evolution, a way to distinguish this normal process of variation within a Species or "Kind" from the idea of Species-to-Species evolution.There ARE "creationists" like Pat Robertson who "say the world is old," but it contradicts the Bible so it has nothing in common with the concept of "microevolution" which is understood to be the normal variation within a Biblical Kind.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I know what you meant and the acceptance of the term "microevolution" means absolutely nothing because it only refers to what we've always accepted under other names. If it's no concession to evolution to use it then your point is invalidated.

The forming of varieties or breeds reduces genetic possibilities so that eventually no more evolution is possible. I've argued this at length here and at my blog. No, there is no such thing as mutations rushing in to save the day, and that's all I'm going to argue of this here. Again, the formation of varieties or breeds reduces genetic variability, often slowly and with no great genetic cost but always some genetic cost, and if further population splits occur or if a new population is made up of sharply reduced numbers then the genetic cost can be very great, which eventually leads to inability to vary further at alll. End of evolution.