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Message 1 of 86 (681861)
11-28-2012 10:55 AM


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Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 2 of 86 (681866)
11-28-2012 11:09 AM
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11-28-2012 10:55 AM


No it is not Bishop Ussher, it is the Bible. We can all add up the numbers, we don't need Bishop Ussher although his calculations are probably the most trustworthy.
And if you put dinosaurs back before human beings you deny the Biblical revelation that death entered the Creation because of the disobedience of Adam and Eve.
Pat Robertson also thinks Roman Catholicism is Christian. So much for Pat Robertson.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Message 3 of 86 (681868)
11-28-2012 11:26 AM
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11-28-2012 11:09 AM


The Bible does not say death entered because of Adam and Steve
Sorry but the Bible does not say that death entered because Adam and Eve disobeyed the God character in the story. And yes, Roman Catholicism is Christian. Just two more places where you are factually wrong.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 4 of 86 (681870)
11-28-2012 11:35 AM
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11-28-2012 11:09 AM


Christian?
Faith writes:
Pat Robertson also thinks Roman Catholicism is Christian. So much for Pat Robertson.
Definitions of Christian, from Merriam-Webster:
1. The religion derived from Jesus Christ, based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Eastern, Roman Catholic, and Protestant bodies
2. Conformity to the Christian religion
3. The practice of Christianity
Well, it seems to me that the Catholic Church, a religion derived from Jesus Christ, according to doctrine, fits directly into the definition of Christianity. I mean, unless you would like to simply create a new definition of the word?
I find it hislarious how much each different sect of Christianity hates one another...you would totally think that at least one of these groups had heard that whole "Love one another" thing, since it was supposedly Christ who said it...
Edited by Tempe 12ft Chicken, : No reason given.

The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity. -Richard Dawkins
Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. -Issac Asimov
If you removed all the arteries, veins, & capillaries from a person’s body, and tied them end-to-endthe person will die. -Neil Degrasse Tyson
What would Buddha do? Nothing!
What does the Buddhist terrorist do? Goes into the middle of the street, takes the gas, *pfft*, Self-Barbecue. The Christian and the Muslim on either side are yelling, "What the Fuck are you doing?" The Buddhist says, "Making you deal with your shit. -Robin Williams-

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Message 5 of 86 (681872)
11-28-2012 11:38 AM
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11-28-2012 11:26 AM


The BIble DOES say death entered because of sin; & Catholicsm is not Christian
You're so predictable, jar.
Sorry but the Bible does not say that death entered because Adam and Eve disobeyed the God character in the story. And yes, Roman Catholicism is Christian. Just two more places where you are factually wrong.
"Sorry" yourself:
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
So you can have Pat over for coffee and congratulate him for his betrayal of the Protestant Reformation in considering Rome who murdered millions of Bible believers down the centuries as "Christian" as so many history-challenged "Protestants" are doing these days. But the Reformers all agreed that Catholicism was Antichrist, not Christian in the slightest but the opposite. Sad how that has been obscured and buried these days. Not that there aren't some individual Catholics who may be Christian -- MAYBE, it's hard inside that institution where the rules are mostly man-made, and when Catholics DO begin to understand the gospel and some of the history of their murdering "Church" they usually exit speedily.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Message 6 of 86 (681874)
11-28-2012 11:42 AM
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11-28-2012 11:38 AM


Re: The Bible does not say death entered because of Adam and Steve
Sorry? Please show me in your quote from Romans where it mentions Adam, Eve or the Garden of Eden?
Have you ever read the Bible Faith?
And murdering folk is pretty typical of Christian behavior whether Protestant or Roman Catholic. Christianity has been one of the most successful exploiters of genocide over history.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 7 of 86 (681875)
11-28-2012 11:50 AM
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11-28-2012 11:09 AM


So much for you.

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Message 8 of 86 (681877)
11-28-2012 11:53 AM
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11-28-2012 11:38 AM


Re: The Bible does not say death entered because of Adam and Steve
Faith writes:
So you can have Pat over for coffee and congratulate him for his betrayal of the Protestant Reformation in considering Rome who murdered millions of Bible believers down the centuries as "Christian" as so many history-challenged "Protestants" are doing these days. But the Reformers all agreed that Catholicism was Antichrist, not Christian in the slightest but the opposite. Sad how that has been obscured and buried these days. Not that there aren't some individual Catholics who may be Christian -- MAYBE, it's hard inside that institution where the rules are mostly man-made, and when Catholics DO begin to understand the gospel and some of the history of their murdering "Church" they usually exit speedily.
I think that you are holding a little bit of a grudge that is unwarranted. I am quite aware of the history, and quite a bloody history at that, of the Catholic Church as an ex-Catholic. Yet, there is a question I would ask of you. Why are you holding the church responsible for the sins that were done by those in the church hundreds of years ago? If you are willing to hold the current incarnation of the Catholic Church responsible for those past transgressions, then what transgressions of your ancestors should you be held responsible for? As a protestant, there was the reformation and murder of Catholics, so Catholics should hold a grudge against you. Do you live in the US? Well, then you are directly responsible for slavery and Japanese internment. See how absolutely ridiculous the idea of holding current incarnations of institutions responsible for past sins can be? We all become guilty of some crime or another at that point. You are not blameless in this mindset. However, if we look at the church as it is now, not with conspiracy theory goggles on, we see a church who claims its teachings come from Christ...AKA Christian...AKA your brothers and sisters in Christ.

The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity. -Richard Dawkins
Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. -Issac Asimov
If you removed all the arteries, veins, & capillaries from a person’s body, and tied them end-to-endthe person will die. -Neil Degrasse Tyson
What would Buddha do? Nothing!
What does the Buddhist terrorist do? Goes into the middle of the street, takes the gas, *pfft*, Self-Barbecue. The Christian and the Muslim on either side are yelling, "What the Fuck are you doing?" The Buddhist says, "Making you deal with your shit. -Robin Williams-

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Message 9 of 86 (681878)
11-28-2012 11:53 AM
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11-28-2012 11:35 AM


Re: Christian?
Uh huh, dictionaries can lie, they can be written by propagandists. The Protestant Reformation didn't just happen for no reason, and it specifically rejected Rome as a pretender to Christianity, and the papacy as Antichrist, which means both denier of Christ and replacer of Christ. This history has been obscured over the last century or so.
IN a way all you really need to do is picture the hierarchy of Rome in its expensive finery, its robes of scarlet and purple and ornaments of gems and the Pope's tiara and those bizarre fish-head mitres to recognize that this religion has NOTHING to do with the Biblical Christ.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Message 10 of 86 (681880)
11-28-2012 11:55 AM
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11-28-2012 11:53 AM


Re: Christian?
I would rather they waste all the money they collect on objects I can actually see, rather than have all of the money be donated and yet the church receives no repairs, there is no finery, and the pastor is driving a really nice sportscar....seems fishy to me.
ABE-Although, personally, I feel that church services should be performed in run down buildings with all of the money collected going to the poor and the less fortunate...you know, the way Jesus stated it should be. But, hey, if the preacher needs an Escalade, please give generously!
Edited by Tempe 12ft Chicken, : No reason given.

The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity. -Richard Dawkins
Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. -Issac Asimov
If you removed all the arteries, veins, & capillaries from a person’s body, and tied them end-to-endthe person will die. -Neil Degrasse Tyson
What would Buddha do? Nothing!
What does the Buddhist terrorist do? Goes into the middle of the street, takes the gas, *pfft*, Self-Barbecue. The Christian and the Muslim on either side are yelling, "What the Fuck are you doing?" The Buddhist says, "Making you deal with your shit. -Robin Williams-

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Message 11 of 86 (681882)
11-28-2012 12:05 PM
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11-28-2012 11:53 AM


Re: Christian?
faith writes:
Uh huh, dictionaries can lie, they can be written by propagandists. The Protestant Reformation didn't just happen for no reason, and it specifically rejected Rome as a pretender to Christianity, and the papacy as Antichrist, which means both denier of Christ and replacer of Christ. This history has been obscured over the last century or so.
IN a way all you really need to do is picture the hierarchy of Rome in its expensive finery, its robes of scarlet and purple and ornaments of gems and the Pope's tiara and those bizarre fish-head mitres to recognize that this religion has NOTHING to do with the Biblical Christ.
And not only that, they're a bunch of treasonous liberals, too!
I imagine the first thing Jesus will do when you get to heaven is appoint you Supreme Judge.
Keep up the good work.

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Message 12 of 86 (681889)
11-28-2012 12:42 PM
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11-28-2012 11:09 AM


Pat Robertson also thinks Roman Catholicism is Christian.
And that folks shows that any rational discussion with Faith is impossible.
If you thought she had any shred of credibility this should disabuse you of that idea.
I said something very similar in another thread about Foreveryoung. It is very applicable here also.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 13 of 86 (681891)
11-28-2012 12:50 PM
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11-28-2012 11:38 AM


It burns
Faith writes:
MAYBE, it's hard inside that institution where the rules are mostly man-made

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 14 of 86 (681893)
11-28-2012 1:06 PM
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11-28-2012 11:09 AM


Hi, Faith. I did not expect you to be persuaded by Pat Robertson. He suffers from a serious case of "foot in mouth" disease, and that cannot have gone unnoticed even amongst fundamentalists.
What Robertson said won't persuade anybody that creationism is wrong. But it will persuade some people (correctly), that evangelical theology is not nearly as rigid on the question as they had been led to believe.
Faith writes:
No it is not Bishop Ussher, it is the Bible. We can all add up the numbers, we don't need Bishop Ussher although his calculations are probably the most trustworthy.
Have you ever tried adding up the numbers?
No, I haven't either. But I'm pretty sure that if you tried, you would find that they didn't all connect up. You would find that you were having to make stuff up as you went along.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 15 of 86 (681894)
11-28-2012 1:10 PM
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11-28-2012 11:53 AM


Re: Catholicism
I'm not holding individual Catholics responsible for anything. Most Catholics know very little about the history of these things.
The Roman Church as an institution, the Vatican, the papacy, still adheres to the same policies they always had. Nothing has changed except that the prevailing attitudes have been against their implementing them since the Protestant Reformation, though they've been regaining ground in recent years. The Council of Trent cursed basic Protestant belief, they've never rescinded that, the policies of the Inquisition are still adhered to. The inquisition wasn't just accidental history caused by some renegade Popes, this is OFFICIAL Catholic doctrine I'm talking about that gets revived whenever they have the power to revive it.
And people keep saying Protestants did the same to Catholics but nobody shows me where that occurred. I'm aware of the Peasants Uprising in Germany but that was more political than religious. I'm aware of Calvin having Servetus executed for denying the Trinity. I'm aware of nineteen people who were executed in the Salem Witch Trials before the CLERGY put a stop to the hysteria. The Irish Catholic-Protestant wars can be demonstrated to have been fomented by the Catholics and in most cases the Protestants have been on the defensive. What exactly are you talking about?
ALL offenses are wrong, in any case of course, but there is no comparison. Tens of MILLIONS of Bible believers were tortured and killed by the Inquisition. I know that number is denied, thanks to propagandists who get into Wikipedia and the like, so I'll have to find sources for it, but it's well known outside the propaganda circuits.
Again, this is about the INSTITUTION, the Vatican, the Papacy, not Catholics themselves.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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