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Author Topic:   The SEVEN "DAYS" WERE GEOLOGICAL ERAS
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12-01-2012 1:38 AM


1. Formative/Cosmologic Era-Hadean Era/ = First Day

2. Hadean Era-Archaean Era/ = Second Day

3. Archaean Era-Proterozoic Era/ = Third Day

4. Proterozoic Era-Paleozoic Era/ = Fourth Day

5. Paleozoic Era-Mesozoic Era/ = Fifth Day

6. Mesozoic Era-Cenozoic Era/ = Six Day

7. Cenozoic Era-Common Era/ = Seventh Day

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Chaotian Era
Chaotian Eon
This era begins with the formation of the Solar System and the Earth from planetesimals in the solar nebula. Mineral evolution begins at this time (although presumably it has already occurred many times in other, early, solar systems.
Hadean Era
Hadean Eon
The name says it all; a hellish period lasting some 760 million years, when the Earth was subject to frequent bombardment by comets, asteroids, and other planetary debris. This era begins when a Mars-sized body struck the original Earth, pulverizing both, and reforming into the current Earth-moon binary. Gradually the molten Earth cools, outgassing of first atmosphere and oceans, bombardment by left-over planetesimal and debris. The Hadean eon was characterized by extensive volcanism and formation of the first crust. Following a second period of cosmic bombardment, by the end of the Hadean, the Earth had an atmosphere (unbreathable to most organisms today), and oceans filled with water.
Archean Era
Archean Eon
Lasting more than twice as long as the Phanerozoic eon, the Archean was a time when diverse microbial life flourished in the primordial oceans, and the continental shields developed from volcanic activity. The reducing (anaerobic) atmosphere enabled Archaea (anaerobic microbes) to develop, and plate tectonics followed a regime of continental drift different to that of the Proterozoic and later. During this era, one type of organism, the Cyanobacteria (blue-green algae) produced oxygen as a metabolic by-product; the eventual build-up of this highly reactive gas was to eventually prove fatal to many life-forms, and converted the atmosphere from.
Proterozoic Era
Proterozoic Eon
The Proterozoic, which lasted even longer than the Archean Era, saw the atmosphere changes from reducing to oxygenated, driving the original anaerobic inhabitants of the Earth into a few restricted anoxic refuges and enabling the rise of aerobic life (both prokaryote and the more complex eukaryotic cell, which requires the high octane boost that oxygen enables.) Stromatolites (colonial cyanobacteria), which had appeared during the Archean, were common. The modern regime of continental drift began, and saw the formation of supercontinent of Rodinia, and several extensive ice ages. Late in the Proterozoic a runaway icehouse effect meant that the preceding warm conditions were replaced by a "Snowball Earth" with ice several kilometers deep covering the globe. Warming conditions saw the short-lived Ediacarian biota and finally the appearance of first metazoa.
Paleozoic Era
Paleozoic Era
Early in the 300 million year history of the Paleozoic, atmospheric oxygen reached its present levels, generating the ozone shield that screens out ultraviolet radiation and allows complex life to live in the shallows and finally on land. This era witnessed the age of invertebrates, of fish, of tetrapods, and (during the Permian) reptiles. From the Silurian on, life emerged from the sea to colonize the land, and in the later Paleozoic pteridophyte and later gymnospermous plants flourished. The generally mild to tropical conditions with their warm shallow seas were interspersed with Ordovician and Permo-Carboniferous ice ages. Towards the end of the Paleozoic the continents clustered into the supercontinent of Pangea, and increasingly aridity meant the end of the great Carboniferous swamps and their unique flora and fauna. The Paleozoic was brought to an end by the end Permian mass-extinction, perhaps the most severe extinction the planet has seen.
Mesozoic Era
Mesozoic Era
Lasting little more than half the duration of the Paleozoic, this was a spectacular time. The generalized archosaurian reptiles of the Triassic gave way to the dinosaurs, a terrestrial megafauna the like of which the Earth has not seen before or since. While dinosaurs dominated the land, diverse sea-reptiles ruled the oceans, and invertebrates, especially ammonites, were extremely diverse. Pterosaurs and later birds took to the sky. Mammals however remained small and insignificant. Climatic conditions remained warm and tropical worldwide. The supercontinent of Pangea broke up into Laurasia and Gondwana, with different dinosaurian faunas evolving on each. During this era modern forms of corals, insects, new fishes and finally flowering plants evolved. At the end of the Cretaceous period the dinosaurs and many other animals abruptly died out, quite likely the result of an asteroid impact and associated extensive volcanism (acid rain)
Cenozoic Era
Cenozoic Era
With the extinction of the dinosaurs and the end of the Mesozoic, the mammals swiftly inherit the Earth. Archaic mammals co-existed with birds and modern reptiles and invertebrates. The current continents emerged, and the initial tropical conditions were replaced by a colder drier climate, possibly caused by the Himalayan uplift. The appearance of grass meant the rise of grazing mammals, and the cooler drier world allowed modern mammalian groups to evolve, along with other lineages now extinct and a few archaic hold-overs. Among the newcomers were the anthropoid apes that culminated in the australopithecine hominids of Africa. Decreasing temperatures and a polar landmass of Antarctica resulted in a new Ice Age. Most recently, in the blink of an eye geologically speaking, this era saw the rise of Man (Homo erectus, Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon) and use of stone tools and fire, the extinction of Megafauna, and civilization and human activities that have transformed the globe, but at a cost of great environmental destruction.

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Message 2 of 310 (682313)
12-01-2012 8:23 AM
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12-01-2012 1:38 AM


The real issue here is whether the science people on this site are really Bible Bashers or honestly examining the Age of the Universe and how that information relates to the bible.

Is it a cowardly attack on the ever smaller but still vocal YECs who just misread Genesis as it has come down to their church from the Middle Ages?

Or, are the science-savy people here willing to accept that Geology has been used to record the History of the Earth as a series of seven major events marked in stone, i.e.; the rock layers?

This thread was moved here because other threads were unconcerned about this issue which supports the Theistic Evolution Bible readers.

Those threadsignored the enormous impact of confirming by science that, indeed, Genesis was absolutely correct.

It supports divine knowledge that 3362 year ago, long before anyone could possibly have known for sure, Genesis stated that seven historical durations measure the sequence of cosmic evolution.


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Message 4 of 310 (682319)
12-01-2012 8:56 AM
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Re: Setting the Topic

This thread is not for Bible bashing, nor is it for accusing others of being Bible bashers.

Oh,... good.

Let's objectively look first at whether Genesis records in the events of its "days" the things which science tells us actually did happen during those seven Eras.

The first Era in both cases corresponds to the initial Big Bang creation of all the existing matter of the cosmos, hurling out into Space/time until the formation of the Earth into a sphere, which marked the late morning of the second Hadean "day."

Here is what we might assume a comprehensive modern reading of Gen 1:1 is actually saying:

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning, (the Formative/Cosmology Era), God, (the Uncaused First Cause, or the Dark Energy which pre-existed the material Universe, perhaps), created... (all that which has followed the Big Bang from the singularity of Planck Time which consisted of

Seven Stages:
1) The Inflation Era
2) The Quark Era
3) Hadron Era
4) Lepton Era
5) Nucleosynthesis Era
6) Opaque Era
7) Matter Era,...
in an enormous Einsteinian energy transformation, E = mC^2),...
... the (matter composing the) heaven (beyond the Solar System) and the (accretion disk which was yet to congeal into a spherical planet) earth.

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Message 8 of 310 (682332)
12-01-2012 10:44 AM
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12-01-2012 9:15 AM


1) I can not for the life of me find your seven historical durations as you present them.

2) I do find where "in the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth".
This Heaven and Earth existed at the end of the statement in Genesis 1:1.

3) So where do you find the seven historical durations you are talking about?

Check the Hebrew word used for "day" so we agree that this term means any appropriate duration as opposed exclusively to a 24 hour duration.
The word could mean an Age or even half a day, depending.
Hence if we assume that the 24 hour Earth Day did not exist when the creation story begins, it is fair to infer the duration could be eons long if our context suggsest this to be the case:

2) The instant of the Big Bang created all the matter in the universe immediately throug it would be over billions of years before that matter differentiated into specific galaxies, stars, and an Earth.
But at the Big Bang, some First Cause did create the heavens and the Earth at that moment.

3) We find the "seven historical durations" marked in the rocks by various events which record the History of the Earth.
These are illstrated and even described in the Opening post above.

But we read in Genesis about the same events, occurring in the same sequence and time frame but referred to as days.

For instance, in Gen 1:9 we read about the first Pangea-like event taking place in the evening of the Archean eon and the dawning of the Proterozoic eon which corresponds to the the third "day" designation in Genesis:

Gen. 1:9 And (Father Nature, the first cause), God, said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, (Panthalassa), and let (Pangea/Rodinia), the dry land appear: (composed of the Seven Large Tectonic Plates):

1. North American Plate,
2. Pacific Plate,
3. South American Plate,
4. African Plate,
5. Eurasian Plate,
6. Anartic Plate,
7. Australian Plate),...

...and it was so.


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Message 9 of 310 (682334)
12-01-2012 10:56 AM
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12-01-2012 9:24 AM


1) "Biblical scientific foreknowledge" is, in my opinion, absolutely worthless in and of itself

2) merely pointing out the obvious limitations and lack of utility of misusing the Bible in this absurd way

3) recordings by some ancient peoples is hardly earth-shaking; in fact it could be seen to be no more than the primitive beginnings of what we today call science.

4) such creative writings are absolutely rife with metaphorical allusions, which themselves could be interpreted in dozens of alternative ways

5) Even if a given passage of the Bible is actually relaying accurate scientific knowledge of some sort, exactly how are we to know,

Stick around for awhile.
Your initial naysaying and opinionated position on this subject is exacly why this post was started.

Be patient and try to be open to being dead wrong as you are actually will find you are, assuming there is some intellectual integrity to work with here.

Also take note of your firm position on this matter before you even heard what Theistic Evolution bible interpretations have to say.

That kind of position ties uop a lot of Ego.
i
It makes it very difficult to be open to other points of view, because human natuire is such as to resist being wrong and will dismiss facts and evidence easily as a defense.


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Message 11 of 310 (682336)
12-01-2012 11:04 AM
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12-01-2012 9:33 AM


But it seems to me that your argument's burden here is huge. The number 7 is a mystical number not only in Christianity but in other religions and mystical traditions, from Pythagorean numerology to New Age 7-note chords of creation. The Bible itself is replete with 7s, as well as other numbers of sacred significance.

So your burden here, as I see it, is to provide an argument for ancient mystical knowledge of seven ages of creation that is so compelling that it eliminates the possibility of mere coincidence.

I hear U.

What you say is really important and most interesting because that is exactly where all this eventually leads. The Genesis story in really an example of using the special numbers which the bible brings to our attention.

The twelve Acts-of God in Genesis 1, performed during seven steps of unfolding cosmic evolution present us with an illustration for what the priests called the Urim and Thummim.

But that is off topic right now.

(You are very intuitive)


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Message 12 of 310 (682337)
12-01-2012 11:16 AM
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12-01-2012 11:02 AM


Re: You don't even read your own sources do you?

Note that your very own chart says that a day equals a 24 hour period as defined by evening and morning in Genesis

1) Yes, Strong's Concordance first explains that yowm refers to an indefinite duration of time.
He then tells us that we are always to deduce the length of the duration by appealing to the context.

then, in the ancient but erroneous tradition of assuming the ending and dawning of each phase refers to earthly days of 24 hours, Strong does us the disservice of assuming the context meant in Gen 1 is an Earth Day.

But, in the context that these durations are eras long, the Theistic evolution bible reader is equally justified in assuming yowm means an Age.

2) But we also can refer to the scripture that tells us that a day is like a thousand years to god.

3) Additionally, comprehensive readers will note that the 24 hour day is created way later on, in Gen 1:14, when the sun and the moon are assigned authority over the Solar Clock for the first time in the story.
Before this event, there could not have been a 24 hour day.

But more to the heart of the matter of interpretation, this verse, Gen 1:14, clues us in to realize that the seven cosmic "days" are definitely NOT earth days.

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Message 19 of 310 (682363)
12-01-2012 6:12 PM
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12-01-2012 5:25 PM


Re: Day's length

You could read the scripture also.

Yep.
It sounds like the Bible writers made sure that we would have scriptural authority to take such a liberty as to entertain a day to God that is not an Earth day.
Clearly, Genesis used a literary technique in the way it unfolds the story such that ancient people would relate to what actually is an almost unbelievable truth about Evolution.

This verse would have been a very nice interjection just o we could found this kind of interpretation and rest it upon the authority of sola scripture.

Assuming that Theistic Evolution has merit, this verse is very convenient in this Age, when knowledge abounds and men run to and fro.

But of course it also can be found in the Psalms, too.

What I like about understanding the day of the Lord, or the seven days of God as long durations is that with such a cravat, Genesis becomes literally scientifically correct.

I like to read the Bible as 100% factually true.


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Message 20 of 310 (682365)
12-01-2012 6:15 PM
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12-01-2012 11:22 AM


Re: You don't even read your own sources do you?

Sorry but your idea is just bullshit.

Ok, then you are not open to this idea.
Please stay out of the thread since you have already made your decision for God based upon this very first difference of opinion between us.

Thank you for participating.


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Message 21 of 310 (682366)
12-01-2012 6:18 PM
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12-01-2012 12:07 PM


Numerology is always lame. But in this case what you are insisting on is that the numbers are more important than even the words in the Bible. And in my opinion, you need to provide some reason for that to be true before anyone ought to consider what you say.

You might have a point.
Start a thread on that and I will discuss the off topic issue while you muddle thru Genesis 1 with me here.


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Message 23 of 310 (682368)
12-01-2012 6:31 PM
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12-01-2012 12:10 PM


Re: Seven, the hard way...
[qs]

[/qd]

1)Right.

The verse said:
Gen. 1:9 And (Father Nature, the first cause), God, said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, (Panthalassa), and let (Pangea/Rodinia), the dry land appear: (composed of the Seven Large Tectonic Plates):

2) See how important reading com0rehension is when one starts with a psychological pre-set mind?
You missed the statement that there are seven LARGE plates.

This is why Bible readers in different Ages have found Genesis plausible even when they midunderstood it.
They basically already knew the general story because of the paradigm within which they lived.

So they would never have realized that the whole 4th "day" of the creation was directed are creating an Earth Clock by assigning the Sun to the Sloar Clock, the Moon to be time keeper of the Calendar, and the stars for maintaining the accuracy of Sidereal Time.

3) The whole 4th day was entirely devoted to the establishment of Earth Time.
This is so inordinately unusual in this otherwise step-by-step unfolding that we can assume it is done intentionally to explains the seven "days" are NOT earth days.


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Message 25 of 310 (682371)
12-01-2012 6:40 PM
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12-01-2012 12:31 PM


Re: Selective learning

You appear to have forgotten to include several other eras.
Planck Era
Grand unification Era
Electroweak Era
Matter domination Era
Recombination Era

So - that brings the number of eras to at least 12.
And I am sure that there are more...

They were not forgotten, but the particular source chosen from those available subjectively grouped them as seven major events as the Chart I used illustrated.

I am using the opportunity to chose those classifications that duplicate the favorite numbers of the bible whenever I have such an opportunity.

But seven does appear inordinately often in Science anyway, so we will see that the parallel is perhaps a usful educational and mnemonic device.

Here is a totally different source which likewise uses this division of the Big Bang Beginning into seven major events:


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Message 26 of 310 (682380)
12-01-2012 7:21 PM
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12-01-2012 6:26 PM


Re: You don't even read your own sources do you?

Your own source said "a day (24 hour period) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1"

1) Oh,...
OK.
Stay on but don't hammer your dissent repetitiously after i have told why I understand things to be interpreted idifferently than you do, and i will not criticize you again and again for what i believe is a foolish mistake on your part.

2) Yes, Strong tells us to use the context in order to determine whether yowm means an earth day or some other duration, like an Era.

I agree with his suggestion but differ with him in that the context of the whole firat chapter specifically tells us the seven days were different because there was no Solar Clock until the 4th duration.

3) If the 4th duration had already been a 24 hour unit of time, the whole of Gen 1:14-19 would be unnecessary information.
That God made the Sun the authority over Earth Time on that separate event makes it clear to me.

I also find the unusual description of a day as represented as an "evening and morning" a hint that these seven days are somewhat important things to reconsider.


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Message 28 of 310 (682382)
12-01-2012 7:25 PM
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12-01-2012 6:37 PM


Re: Seven, the hard way...

Please point out where Genesis 1 says (Father Nature, the first cause) or (Panthalassa) or (Pangea/Rodinia) or (composed of the Seven Large Tectonic Plates).
In case you have not read Genesis 1, here it is.

?
What Genesis says is separated from myown parenthetical interjections in the grammatically correct fashion of bracketing explanations within the context of its passages.

The reader can clearly understand what Genesis says and where explanations and commentary are sourced elsewhere.

Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.


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Message 31 of 310 (682386)
12-01-2012 7:45 PM
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Re: Seven, the hard way...

Re: Seven, the hard way...
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How could day four be the creation of an Earth clock if it corresponds to an age when neither the sun or the solar system existed.

in this otherwise step-by-step unfolding

Surely you are not suggesting that day four is the only step out of chronilogical order. How did plants exist before there were even galaxies.

And the Bible says nothing about tectonic plates. Those are your words.

How could Genesis 1 make any sense at allif the reader assumed the Sun and the moon and the stars were not the heavens and the earth which appeared in Gen 1:1????

I realize that te interpretations from the medieval times have foolishlyclaimed Genesis to say that God did created the sun, moon, and stars on day 4.
But the text does NOT say that.
The word "create" does not appear in Gne 1:14.

The word "made" is used.
Made, the Hebrew, means God assigned the Sun the authority over Solar time:

16 And God made, (appointed), two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made,(appointed), the stars also.

Strong's Concordance
Transliteration:`asah = made [H6213] =
made: [asah = appoint, ordain, institute]

`asah
verb
a primitive root
1) to work, produce
a) to act, act with effect, effect
2) to make
a) to att £end to, put in order
b) to appoint, ordain, institute


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