John1:1 In the beginning was the Word, (i.e.; Truth: [John 14:6]), and the Word, (Truth, itself), was (synonymous) with God, (i.e.; Reality), and the Word, (Truth: [John 14:6]), was (indistinguishable from Reality), God, (the almighty for all men).
2 "He," (Truth, the symbolic Word to come: [Jud 1:3]) was with God, (i.e.; the ever unfolding Reality), in the beginning, (that is, the initial unfolding of material Reality in what was the actiual physical Creation).
Jn 1:3 ALL (real) THINGS, (phenomenally, i.e.; mentally), came into existence, (for man), through him, (i.e.; this concept of Truth), and apart from him, (this ideal of Truth), not even ONE (real) thing came into (actual) existence (for men).
Again you are simply posting falsehoods when you post
Gen 1:1 In the beginning was the Word,
John is not Genesis 1.
Here is Genesis 1 yet again and try actually reading what it says.
King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
No where in Genesis 1 does it say "In the beginning was the Word".
It is really embarrassing that you are posting nonsense that supposedly represents Christians and Christianity to the world. Pitiful. Sad.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
You have absolutely no science to support the claim that the fusion had no effect or that there was no "no stark difference between the point when the fusion first happened" regardless of how many times your side might point out that nonosense.
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M. Oliver-Bonet; J. Navarro1, M. Carrera, J. Egozcue, J. Benet (October 2002). "Aneuploid and unbalanced sperm in two translocation carriers: evaluation of the genetic risk". Molecular Human Reproduction (Oxford University Press for the European Society for Human Reproduction and Embryology)
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Homozygosity for a Robertsonian translocation (13q14q) in three offspring of heterozygous parents
You are a real gem. Well here is some polish. If you are going to be condescending, it is best to be right first. Given that I am not a geologist, researching is exactly what I did before posting.
Let's look at how these layers are defined.
"The upper layer of the earth's mantle, below the lithosphere, in which there is relatively low resistance to plastic flow and convection"
"A zone of the earth's mantle that lies beneath the lithosphere and consists of several hundred kilometers of deformable rock."
"The upper part of the Earth's mantle, extending from a depth of about 75 km (46.5 mi) to about 200 km (124 mi)."
That's right, the asthenospere is actually part of the upper mantle.
Now the definition of lithosphere...
"The lithosphere is the rigid outermost shell of a rocky planet. On Earth, it comprises the crust and the portion of the upper mantle that behaves elastically on time .."
"The lithosphere is the outer solid part of the earth, including the crust and upper mantle... The lithosphere is about 100 km thick, although its thickness is age "
So now perhaps you can see the problem with listing the lithosphere, the asthenosphere, and the upper mantle as three layers. Those three layers overlap. An easier to justify layer count is crust, upper mantle, lower mantle, outer core and inner core. There are other ways to be consistent but those other ways don't produce a seven count.
Similarly your listing of the outer "firmament" as seven layers is also fubar.
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Let's get this thing into summation mode so the arguments can be heard on how these subjects kofh2u wants to hijack other threads with have now been fully explored and how he has been offered ample room to make a case for his claims, which he has utterly failed at.
We can see that we will get no deeper into this and will only see him repeat the same claims regardless of the insurmountible evidence which clearly shows him to be wrong.
I only see more of the same in the future. Let this thread be the witness that the discussion deserves no more of our attention and let us, once the thread is closed, only engage kofh2u when he engages the actual discussion and makes no more mention of his numerology or forced pseudoscience and learns how to resist blatently lying, making claims of persecution or telling others that they are intellectually dishonest or have poor reading comprehension when they present evidence that disprove his claims..
So why bash the Theistic Bible believer who chooses to see the 22 names in Genesis description of the roots in the ascent of man as corresponding with the paleontological evidence of science????
You're not getting bashed, and what is happening to you isn't because you're a theistic Bible believer but because you're ignoring everything being explained to you. When someone appears to not hear what is said then people tend to repeat it at higher volume, which at a discussion board can come across as bashing.
An example of something explained many times that you're ignoring is that science doesn't believe there are 22 species on the line from the chimp/human common ancestor to modern man. The reality is that science doesn't know how many there are.
But this is only one point that you're ignoring. You've actually ignored almost every point made. An exhaustive list of every time you've ignored a point would go on for pages.
And if you don't count your thumbs, then you have 8 fingers, which is pretty much seven, which demonstrates that science and the bible say the exact same thing when you use the correct reading comprehension.
To comprehend what the Bible writers is saying, tho, we must read the whole context of the verse where it starts by saying, "Let the waters under the heaven be gathered"... so the plural reference to waters and the command to gather THEM into one place supports the interpretation which tells us that these ancients knew of the tectonic cycle that began with Rodinia.
Actually, the Hebrews envisioned a flat disc shape earth that was floating on the waters. They thought it looked something like this:
Of course. Whereas that recent sketch of what medieval Jews thought about the universe is pretty much the same as christians believed until this Age, it is just evidence of the medieval ignorance that prevented factual interpretations of Genesis. The religious people through out the ages did not have enough information about the facts which the Bible laid out for us today, when in the end times the Book could be opened and read in the way I am demonstrating.
But you are making up the interpretations to fit them with information! The Shaprshooter Fallacy. The only reason to think that your interpretation is right, is because you've already decided a priori that you want to make the Bible out to look accurate. We have no reason whatsoever to think that you have the right interpretation, in fact, we can be certain that what you are forcing into the the interpretation was nothing near what the original authors intended to write. As you admit, they were ignorant of the information.
So how'd it get there? I suppose you think god used his magic to include hidden meaning into the text that the authors were unaware of. So lets assume you're right, what does this do to the theology:
First off, god becomes some trickster that gives us this riddle/puzzle to solve. That's not the Chistian God. Second, he'd have to set up the whole thing where he was literally screwing over an entire culture of people just so that we cold get this secret message today. That's just evil. Thirdly, how arrogant do you have to be to think that over the last few thousand years, everyone was getting everything so wrong until one day YOU come along and figure out the whole thing? Oh thank god that he sent us YOU, the error-free magic writing interpreter... oh how bad off we'd be if you hadn't come along and figured everything out for us
I suppose you atheists and denominational Christians think god didn't use the Literary Arts to include hidden meaning into the text that the authors themselves, were possibly unaware of.
1) Thoughtless Protestants forget that they brought down the Roman Catholic Church because THEY re-interpreted the teachings and interpretations which opposed scientific facts. It was the Pope's opposition to the Truth as it became clear through Science that cause the whole History of the Reformation.
2) Secret messages are clearly secret because the people could not handle the Truth before this Age, the End Times, when knowledge abounds and people run to and fro in a small Global Village of the highly informed and educated.
Proverbs 1:5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels, to understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.
3) Even today, there is foolishness in saying science facts are wrong and YECs and Creationism is right while one CLAIMS to worship Christ, "The Truth and the way to light into the world."
4) A comprehensive reading of the Bible explains that this is a closed book, not so much a secret as unfathomable before now:
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
5) Rev. 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold,... (the golden spiritual insights of the irrepressible idea of psychic Consciousness emerging from scripture) ... tried in the fire... (of time),... that thou mayest be rich... (in continued church leadership); and (re-interpret upon) white (yet unwritten, new pages), raiment,... (of revised books of your evermore obvious misinterpretations), ...that thou mayest be clothed... (and protected in thine thinking with secularly acceptable scriptural confirmations), ...and that the shame... (as visited in Geocentricism does not reoccur concerning magical Creationism, impossible literal world-wide floods, genealogies of individuals who lived inordinately long personal life times, Sun and Moon and Stars absent from the Heavens while light shines through the Cosmos, etc) ...of thy nakedness... (of your unsupportable intuitive irrationalities) ...do not appear... (and confront you as happened before The Reformation); ...and anoint thine eyes...(awaken!)... with (the) eyesalve... (of reality!), ...that thou mayest see... (socio-psychologically).
Science does NOT refute that Rodinia/Pangaea was an event when "all the waters, (plural) had been gathered together into one place."
I already explained to you that this one was refuted. For all the water to be in one place, Rodinia/Pangaea could not have any ponds or lakes or rivers or streams or any water on it whasoever, and that's impossible.
Science does NOT refute Genesis. WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE THAT IS DOES?
We cannot falsify your idea because you just make up the interpretation as you go to fit with the evidence.